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300 suspects, isn't that absurd? -- Ever hear the cliche that there is more printed words about JTR than there is for all the POTUS combined? I wonder if that is true. But even if it is not, the fact that people say it is bizarre enough.
Unless it turns out he is one of the contemporaneous suspects the police were looking at the time, such as Kosminski or Chapman, I suspect that JTR is unknown to history. I would bet the other way. I feel certain he is not one of the 'famous' people that has been put forth over the years, that likelihood I would bet big against.
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Originally posted by APerno View Post300 suspects, isn't that absurd? -- Ever hear the cliche that there is more printed words about JTR than there is for all the POTUS combined? I wonder if that is true. But even if it is not, the fact that people say it is bizarre enough.
Unless it turns out he is one of the contemporaneous suspects the police were looking at the time, such as Kosminski or Chapman, I suspect that JTR is unknown to history. I would bet the other way. I feel certain he is not one of the 'famous' people that has been put forth over the years, that likelihood I would bet big against.
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Originally posted by Abby Normal View PostI think out of all the named suspects, witnesses, persons of interest etc. that have been mentioned over the years that there is a good chance his name is among them. somewhere in there.
Kind regards, Sam Flynn
"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostA few hundred named suspects, not all of them based in the East End, out of tens of thousands of men who did live in the locality doesn't look like good odds to me. Given that out of those, perhaps only 10 or 20 - at a stretch - can be considered reasonable suspects, the chances that the Ripper's already been named are smaller still.
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I hope its alright to post today, its boxing day here and not much to do today, but I suppose its christmas day in the western hemishere.
These are the main/major suspects I've seen/heard. (They're all extant other peoples ones. I don't include ones that are only my own.)
I've divided the suspects into ones with and without a personal connection to the name Jack. Though it is not able to be proven whether the letter that first mentioned that name Jack was or was not from the murderer or was a hoax. And though it is not able to be proven why the murderer or hoaxer chose the name Jack.
JTR suspects with a demonstrated possible personal name connection with the name Jack:
James Willoughby Carnac
John Courtenay
Montague John Druitt
Jacob Isenschmid (Swiss)
(Isaac Lewis) Jacobs
Henry James
Sir Edward Jenkinson
James Kelly
Mary Jane Kelly (Irish/Welsh)
John Langan
Jacob Levy
James Maybrick
George James Morris
Joseph Merrick
John M(a)cCarthy
John Netley
John Pizer (Polish Jew)
Jack/James Russell of Horton Kirby
James Thomas/Tom Sadler
James K Stephen
John Sanders
John Pavitt Sawyer
Dr/Sir John Williams
JTR suspects without a demonstrated personal name connection with the name Jack:
Joseph Barnett
Thomas Bernardo
Nikaner Benelius
Albert Bachert
Alfred Napier Blanchard
William Henry Bury (from Scotland)
Helena Blavatsky
David Cohen (Polish Jew)
Dr Thomas Neill Cream (from Scotland)
Thomas Hayne Cutbush
Willy Clarkson
Churchill
Lewis Carroll / Charles Lutwidge Dodgson
Dr Morgan Davies
Frederick Bailey Deeming
Carl F Feigenbaum (German, was in America)
Fogelma (Norwegian)
Jose Fleming
Sir William Withey Gull
Vincent William van Gough (Dutch)
George Gissing
W Gladstone
George Hutchinson
Lizzie Halliday
H H Holmes
Hyam Hyams
Jong (meaning "young, junior", Dutch killer)
Nathan Kaminsky
Seweryn A Klosowski / George Chapman (Polish)
Aaron M Kosminski (Polish Jew)
Constance Kent
Michael Kidney
The Lodger
Charles Allen Lechmere / Charles Cross
Charles Ludwig (German)
William Magrath/Mcgrath (Irish-American)
Michael Maybrick / Stephen Adams
Robert Mann
Richard Mansfield
Frank Miles
Michael Ostrog (Russian)
Dr Alexander Pedachenko (Russian)
Mary Pearcy
Oswald Puckridge
Walter R Sickert (German/Danish/British)
Joseph Silver / Joseph Lis (Polish Jew)
Robert Donston Stephenson/Roslyn D'Onston Stephenson
Alois Szemeredy
G Wentworth Bell Smith
Robert Louis Stevenson *
Dr Stanley
Francis Tumblety (American)
Francis Thompson
William Thicke
Olga Tchkersoff
Prince Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence & Avondale
Nicolai Vasiliev/Vassily
L Forbes Winslow
Lizzie Williams
* RLS doesn't have a personal name connection with the name Jack though he has other connections with persons/names Jack/John/Jenkin or Jeckyll.
Another way I divide the suspects is British and foreigners or Jews. Though it is not able to be proven whether the letter that said "I'm not a Yid nor a foreign skipper" was or was not from the murderer or a hoax, and the Juwes graffito and detected Irish speech may contradict the letter. I've noted those who are Jews or foreigners in brackets after their names (some others may also be Jews/foreigners but I haven't been able to check them all).
Apart from MJK from what I've read of most of the suspects so far I can't see much compelling evidence for any of them being JTR, and I see some reasons why a number of them are unlikely. Possibly JTR is some unknown common person who is probably now almost impossible to find and prove.
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Originally posted by Vfor View PostI hope its alright to post today, its boxing day here and not much to do today, but I suppose its christmas day in the western hemishere.
These are the main/major suspects I've seen/heard. (They're all extant other peoples ones. I don't include ones that are only my own.)
I've divided the suspects into ones with and without a personal connection to the name Jack. Though it is not able to be proven whether the letter that first mentioned that name Jack was or was not from the murderer or was a hoax. And though it is not able to be proven why the murderer or hoaxer chose the name Jack.
JTR suspects with a demonstrated possible personal name connection with the name Jack:
James Willoughby Carnac
John Courtenay
Montague John Druitt
Jacob Isenschmid (Swiss)
(Isaac Lewis) Jacobs
Henry James
Sir Edward Jenkinson
James Kelly
Mary Jane Kelly (Irish/Welsh)
John Langan
Jacob Levy
James Maybrick
George James Morris
Joseph Merrick
John M(a)cCarthy
John Netley
John Pizer (Polish Jew)
Jack/James Russell of Horton Kirby
James Thomas/Tom Sadler
James K Stephen
John Sanders
John Pavitt Sawyer
Dr/Sir John Williams
JTR suspects without a demonstrated personal name connection with the name Jack:
Joseph Barnett
Thomas Bernardo
Nikaner Benelius
Albert Bachert
Alfred Napier Blanchard
William Henry Bury (from Scotland)
Helena Blavatsky
David Cohen (Polish Jew)
Dr Thomas Neill Cream (from Scotland)
Thomas Hayne Cutbush
Willy Clarkson
Churchill
Lewis Carroll / Charles Lutwidge Dodgson
Dr Morgan Davies
Frederick Bailey Deeming
Carl F Feigenbaum (German, was in America)
Fogelma (Norwegian)
Jose Fleming
Sir William Withey Gull
Vincent William van Gough (Dutch)
George Gissing
W Gladstone
George Hutchinson
Lizzie Halliday
H H Holmes
Hyam Hyams
Jong (meaning "young, junior", Dutch killer)
Nathan Kaminsky
Seweryn A Klosowski / George Chapman (Polish)
Aaron M Kosminski (Polish Jew)
Constance Kent
Michael Kidney
The Lodger
Charles Allen Lechmere / Charles Cross
Charles Ludwig (German)
William Magrath/Mcgrath (Irish-American)
Michael Maybrick / Stephen Adams
Robert Mann
Richard Mansfield
Frank Miles
Michael Ostrog (Russian)
Dr Alexander Pedachenko (Russian)
Mary Pearcy
Oswald Puckridge
Walter R Sickert (German/Danish/British)
Joseph Silver / Joseph Lis (Polish Jew)
Robert Donston Stephenson/Roslyn D'Onston Stephenson
Alois Szemeredy
G Wentworth Bell Smith
Robert Louis Stevenson *
Dr Stanley
Francis Tumblety (American)
Francis Thompson
William Thicke
Olga Tchkersoff
Prince Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence & Avondale
Nicolai Vasiliev/Vassily
L Forbes Winslow
Lizzie Williams
* RLS doesn't have a personal name connection with the name Jack though he has other connections with persons/names Jack/John/Jenkin or Jeckyll.
Another way I divide the suspects is British and foreigners or Jews. Though it is not able to be proven whether the letter that said "I'm not a Yid nor a foreign skipper" was or was not from the murderer or a hoax, and the Juwes graffito and detected Irish speech may contradict the letter. I've noted those who are Jews or foreigners in brackets after their names (some others may also be Jews/foreigners but I haven't been able to check them all).
Apart from MJK from what I've read of most of the suspects so far I can't see much compelling evidence for any of them being JTR, and I see some reasons why a number of them are unlikely. Possibly JTR is some unknown common person who is probably now almost impossible to find and prove.
Due to this I wouldn't base too much evidence surrounding a suspect being based on the letter as alongside the main three there were hundreds more which were probably all hoaxes.
As for Mary Jane Kelly being JtR, I think it's more likely that the moon's made of cheese.
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Originally posted by Astatine211 View PostThere's a high possibility the killer never even referred to himself as Jack the written and the Saucy Jack and Dear Boss letters where very likely to be the work of Tom Bulling, Fred Best or John Moore all of whom are journalists. There are various plausible theories which also cast doubt on the From Hell letter as well.
Due to this I wouldn't base too much evidence surrounding a suspect being based on the letter as alongside the main three there were hundreds more which were probably all hoaxes.
I agree that we can't base too much on the name Jack for those reasons. Though at the same time it is impossible to prove that the letter that first mentioned the name Jack and the other 5 main uncertain letters that mention the name were or weren't written by the murderer or hoaxer/journalist. From what I've read opinions are divided on each and all of the 7 main letters (6 of which mention name Jack) are a hoax or genuine. Though it is true that opinion/evidence seems to lean more in favour of hoax. I myself can't tell whether they are genuine or hoax, and even my reasons for them being maybe genuine I can't easily get into words. So it is only "high possibility" & "very likely" & "plausible" & "doubt". Even if a hoaxer/journalist wrote all 6 letters we can't prove why they chose the name Jack. And even if the murderer wrote the letter we can't prove why they chose Jack. I'm still seeking and learning anyway, & thanks.
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Originally posted by APerno View PostHello!
Have you all (The Casebook members) ever tried to put together a list of all the suspects seriously** offered over the years? I worked on the list below for just 15 minutes and I started laughing when I realized how ridiculously long it quickly got. Many I just took from Ripper historians' books; not that I know anything about them, but maybe I should have started by making a list of people not accused of being Saucy Jacky.
If you have the time please feel free to rip the list apart (pun intended), or add more names if you know of any.
I just think it would be interesting to see just how many different people have been accused over the years.
** I am not suggesting that you should take the names on the list seriously, but only that they were offered up by someone with a 'straight face.'- Aaron Kosminski
- Alfred Napier Blanchard
- Alexander Pedachenko a.k.a. Count Luiskovo (the Russian Spy Theory)
- Alois Szemeredy
- Carl Feigenbaum
- Charles Allen Lechmere/Cross
- Claude Conder
- David Cohen a.k.a. Nathan Kaminsky (The Polish Jew Theory)
- Ernest Dowson (The George Hutchinson Lookalike Theory)
- Fogemla (Norweigan sailor)
- Francis Graig
- Francis Thompson
- Francis Tumblety
- Frank Edwards (The Unpopular Cousin Theory)
- Frederick Deeming
- G. Wentworth Bell Smith (The Lodger Theory)
- George Hutchinson
- H. H. Holmes (Herman Webster Mudgett)
- Henry James Fitzroy, Earl of Euston (The Royal Conspiracy Theory)
- Hyam Hyams (The Jewish Immigrant Theory)
- Jacob Levy
- Jacob Isenchmid
- James Kelly
- James Stephen
- James Maybrick
- James Thomas Sadler
- John Courtenay (Royal Conspiracy Theory)
- John Netley (The Royal Conpisracy Theory)
- John Pizer a.k.a. Leatherapron
- Joseph Barnett
- Joseph Silver
- Lewis Carroll
- Louis Diemshutz
- Mary Pearcey (Jill the Ripper Theory)
- Michael Ostrog
- Dr. Morgan Davies
- Montague John Druitt
- Nikolay Vasiliev a.k.a. Nicolas Vassili
- Prince Albert Victor
- Robert Mann
- Robert Stephenson
- Seweryn K?osowski (George Chapman)
- Sir John Williams
- Thomas Cutbush
- Thomas Neill Cream
- Walter Sickert (The Royal Conspiracy Theory; The Torso Killer; JTR)
- Sr. William Gull (The Royal Conspiracy Theory)
- William Bury
P.S. The one that made me laugh out loud was "Frank Edwards (The Unpopular Cousin Theory)" -- I have no clue what that is all about but I have got to check it out.
Replace 37 with 47 and you have a list from strongest to weakest suspect as well!!
Well done!
The Baron
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Originally posted by Geddy2112 View Post
Not to state the obvious but surely if it's strongest to weakest numbers 28 and 47 should be next to each other. 18 would be near the bottom.
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Originally posted by JeffHamm View Post
It isn't listed as a "strongest to weakest" list, it's alphabetical by first name (ignoring titles, like Dr. or Sir).
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