Give Charles Cross/Lechemere a place as a suspect

[Lechmere]

The police hadn't got into 'Ripper' mode by the time the inquest started - despite the press hoo-haa linking the Nichols murder to that of Tabram and Smith. The Chapman murder happened before the Nichols inquest was concluded. Events accelerated and I think the police investigation lost sight of earlier potentially missed clues - as still happens.
So I don't think the residents of Bucks Row were ever visited and Cross was forgotten about.
Anyway the police thought they had their man in Iscenschmidt (or whatever he was called).

[Cogidubnus]

At the resumed inquest on 17th September, Inspector Spratling admitted that enquiries had not been made at all houses on Bucks Row and the Coroner this this error should be rectified.

Hi Lechmere...interesting...suggests the cops (unsurprisingly perhaps) hadn't yet got their act together and were treating this as a "routine" Whitechapel mystery death...

I know Wynne Baxter, originally a lawyer, was a real stickler for the dignity of his position as a Coroner (and all the procedural fol de rol that goes with that - you have to be English I think to appreciate what far-reaching powers a "Crowner", at a push, really has!)...

But after he'd gee'ed them up - presumably they did the business?

Dave

[Lechmere]

Lyn - the point about aliases is that when the police were aware of them they invariably recorded the different versions which is how we know about them. The Cross/Lechmere alias was discovered by researchers about ten years ago.

I see no reason why his wife would have known about the use of the name Cross. She married Charles Lechmere (Cross) several years after the death of Thomas Cross.
As a matter of interest Charles Lechmere's wife died in 1940 - I have met several of her great grandchildren who were children (not babies) when she was still alive and none know anything about their great grandfathers involvement in the Ripper case. This tells me that he kept his family in the dark as in the East End a Ripper connection equals bragging rights.

[Cogidubnus]

"don't bother" ... " a totally revised post"

Totally revised? I originally was under the impresion that Bridewell was the one asking a question, and answered him. Then I saw it was you, and changed the name in my answer to Dave. How does that make my post "totally revised"?

Your original post at 9.45pm edited at 10.08pm...not the follow-up

The question I ask is a simple one - if you are correct that the police interviewed Lechmere´s wife, why did she not notice that they were calling her Cross?

She probably did...She must've known he had two possible surnames...she presumably had met his family when she married him...yes? So she knew his history...Otherwise you're casting her as some kind of a moron...I would surmise that Cross/Lechmere asked, when making his statement, which name he should use, and was told...so signed accordingly...

My experiences in life so far lead me to believe the simplest explanations are the best...

Dave

[Lechmere]

At the resumed inquest on 17th September, Inspector Spratling admitted that enquiries had not been made at all houses on Bucks Row and the Coroner this this error should be rectified.

[lynn cates]

What's in a name?

Hello Christer. I know I should not be here, but . . .

You were mentioning about the police and an alias. 2 quick questions.

You recall the lass who chatted up Polly and tried to persuade her to come home?

1. How many aliases did she have?

2. Did the police stick at this?

Cheers.
LC

[Tom_Wescott]

It was genuine. Robert Paul was one of those complaining the most publicly.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Cogidubnus]

OK Lechmere...You I'll trust and listen to...these much-criticised police...tell me about them... Was it widespread in the press or just one paper? Do you think it was a "Packer-like" criticism or genuine? No trick questions or sarcasm...I'm honestly interested...

All the best

Dave

[Fisherman]

Dave:

"don't bother" ... " a totally revised post"

Totally revised? I originally was under the impresion that Bridewell was the one asking a question, and answered him. Then I saw it was you, and changed the name in my answer to Dave. How does that make my post "totally revised"?

The question I ask is a simple one - if you are correct that the police interviewed Lechmere´s wife, why did she not notice that they were calling her Cross?

The best,
Fisherman

[Lechmere]

I actually would suppose that he left at 3.20 or so - which in any case gave him more than ample time. He would have not have given a widely varient time in case his wife was asked. In my opinion it is almost certain that the police did not in fact ask his wife as his alias would have come to light and ben recorded as other aliases were.
If you think the police were thorough in this case then check the extant records. The police were criticised for not even interviewing most residents in Bucks Row.

[Cogidubnus]

And now you've edited again...don't bother

Dave

[Cogidubnus]

I'm not suffering from an identity crisis...though possibly you are...

I was responding to the post that was briefly there, then disappeared...the one the "get real" quote was extracted from...the one replaced by your alleged "edit" at 1008 pm which is actually a totally revised post...you've just lost ALL credibility with me!

Sorry and goodnight

Dave

[Fisherman]

Davel:

"You think the police wouldn't have questioned Cross/Lechmere's wife about the time he left?"

...whereas you think she would not have reacted as the policemen interviewing her called her "Mrs Cross"?

There´s that "get real" again, Dave. And the next time it surfaces is when we consider the possibility that even IF they asked her, and she played along as the called her Mrs Cross for some peculiar reason, she may have given the very uncontroversial answer "I really don´t know since I slept, but he tells me he normally leaves at around 3.30."

I mean, how hard can it be, Dave ...?

All the best,
Fisherman

[Cogidubnus]

Now what happened to those posts just then? Jeez I've heard of revisionist thinking, but that was FAST!

Dave

[Cogidubnus]

Shakes head in disbelief

You think the police wouldn't have questioned Cross/Lechmere's wife about the time he left? The guy who discovered the body...I'll quote your own words:-

Get real, that´s what I say.

All the best

Dave