Who are the mostly likely suspects?

[DVV]

Don't forget Mrs Long only saw the clock from behind.

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon. Well, the university where I sometimes work has such a clock and it has the same striking sequence. Sometimes, I conflate the quarter and half.

Cheers.
LC

The town clock where I grew up had different chimes on the quarter hour than the half hour.
The important thing about chimes is, it only tells you what time it is when you listen for them.
By that I mean these chimes are running around the clock so you get use to hearing them to the point of shutting them out.
So when asked to remember some event and which chimes do you recall hearing when that event happened?
You don't, you guess.

But, if the chimes ring out "right now", at the time you are being asked the question, you immediately know what the time is, "oh my god is it 5 O'clock already, I've got to go".

Referring back to the chimes of a clock is/was still guesswork, therefore, unless the witness had a watch I take the times as vague as best.
There are several examples of witnesses offering the wrong times throughout this case.

Regards, Jon S.

[Carol]

Hello Carol, congrats.
It sure is better when it's the husband that sports the moustache.

Good point, David.
Carol

[DVV]

Hello Carol, congrats.
It sure is better when it's the husband that sports the moustache.

[Carol]

"A kiss without moustache is like a soup without salt", they say.

Hello David,

I'm a lucky girl then. My hubby has a moustache.

Carol

[lynn cates]

conflation

Hello Jon. Well, the university where I sometimes work has such a clock and it has the same striking sequence. Sometimes, I conflate the quarter and half.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

could be

Hello Michael. Well, anything's possible.

Cheers.
LC

[GregBaron]

Beer...

ha ha, but mine's better

Actually Malcolm, we have the same guy. Yours is just after the six pails of beer............



Greg

[The Good Michael]

Sequence of events matters more than any suggested times, sequences are hardly ever wrong because they rely on previous & post events, as opposed to guessing what time it was.

I agree, but to a point. I believe sequences of events don't include all events. An example is Lewis' testimony. I believe she wasn't just strolling down the street and taking notes of passers-by. I believe she was looking for drink and johns just like everyone else that time of the evening in that area. I believe her sequence she gave, but I believe it lacks a lot of filler.

Mike

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon. I'm delighted that you noticed that.

Here's a question to consider. Under what circumstances might a person like MJK sing for that period of time?

Cheers.
LC

Lynn.
We are ruled by the clock, everything we do every day is governed by time.
These people for the most part did not know what the time was, didn't care, and were certainly not regimented by time of day.
That being the case we put far too much emphasis on posted times.

I suspect Cox did not know when she returned and went out again, why would she?, the time was the last thing on her mind. These witnesses were only made to consider the time by the police or press in consequence of the Inquiry.
To give an answer to the question of time Cox had to think back how many chimes she heard from the Spitalfields Church at the time she left & returned.

First there's the 'hour' chimes, then the quarter-hour, or was it half-hour chimes?, how many - 12 chimes followed by 3, one chime followed by six, more - less? Could you remember?

The police would need to pressure her to remember or come up with some estimate, in reality she likely didn't have a clue.
But once the statement is put to writing it is carved in stone.

Sequence of events matters more than any suggested times, sequences are hardly ever wrong because they rely on previous & post events, as opposed to guessing what time it was.

Regards, Jon S.

[DVV]

"A kiss without moustache is like a soup without salt", they say.

[Malcolm X]

Here's Blotchy you all....

A real romantic.............he wanted only a drink and a song before heading home to re-tease his mustache...

He's innocent of all but being a sap....



Greg

ha ha, but mine's better

[GregBaron]

Tears for Fears...

Here's Blotchy you all....

A real romantic.............he wanted only a drink and a song before heading home to re-tease his mustache...

He's innocent of all but being a sap....



Greg

[The Good Michael]

Lynn,

I'm glad you brought that up re: tearjerker. I picture in my infinitesimally small brain a couple of drunks maybe or maybe not getting it on at Kelly's place, Blotchy leaving and an even more inebriated Kelly feeling sorry for herself (though it was her choices that brought her to that point) and singing that song over and over again and then stifling a tear, fixing herself up just a bit to go out again and do the nasty business at least one more time.

Mike

[lynn cates]

tears

Hello Ruby. Enjoyed it? A sad Irish song meant to be a tear-jerker (I think that's the phrase)? I think the only arousal here would be of weeping.

Cheers.
LC