The Birmingham suspect : Lewis or Hutch's ?

[mklhawley]

Both of the above are from the same article concerning the Euston Station Suspect from Reynold’s Newspaper, Special Sunday Edition, 18 November, 1888, but I'm not so sure that this means that Wassili was the suspect. That an arrest actually did take place seems almost certain considering the amount of press coverage.

It was also widely reported that the Birmingham Police did not tell Scotland Yard to arrest the man but only suggested that they might want to keep an eye on him. That Scotland Yard arrested the man shows a certain amount of desperation.

Tumblety, obviously, doesn’t enter the picture here, no matter how Tumblety supporters want to spin this. He was in London, part of the time under remand and in jail, while the Birmingham Police were watching their down-on-his-luck doctor in Birmingham.

Wolf.

Cherry picking the newspaper accounts again, eh, Wolf. Of course, it can be argued that I'm doing the same thing.

Tumblety made bail on November 16, so would it be in Tumblety fashion to hang out or would it be in Tumblety fashion to check out? If I were Dr. T, I'd be going to my other residence on the 16th, that being Birmingham. In so doing, he would not violate the terms of the bail...until he boarded on the 24th.

...unless you have some evidence he was hanging out in London.

[Wolf Vanderlinden]

The story which has been going the round the foreign newspapers, of a supposed Russian named Wassili, being concerned in the crimes, has now seem shown to be a myth.

The report of a man having been arrested at Euston station yesterday afternoon, who had travelled from Birmingham, is incorrect. The authorities at Scotland Yard decline to give any information on the subject; but from many circumstances it is believed the report is unfounded.

Both of the above are from the same article concerning the Euston Station Suspect from Reynold’s Newspaper, Special Sunday Edition, 18 November, 1888, but I'm not so sure that this means that Wassili was the suspect. That an arrest actually did take place seems almost certain considering the amount of press coverage.

It was also widely reported that the Birmingham Police did not tell Scotland Yard to arrest the man but only suggested that they might want to keep an eye on him. That Scotland Yard arrested the man shows a certain amount of desperation.

Tumblety, obviously, doesn’t enter the picture here, no matter how Tumblety supporters want to spin this. He was in London, part of the time under remand and in jail, while the Birmingham Police were watching their down-on-his-luck doctor in Birmingham.

Wolf.

[Scott Nelson]

The Birmingham suspect was Nicholas Vassily.

[Debra A]

And I have been sending you updates about this supposed 'George Jackson' research, marriage certificate etc. have I? I must sleep post.

[mariab]

It was Rob and myself who found and posted the new info about Le Grand's alias, crime and incarceration as George Jackson. What part is non conclusive? It was an alias used by Le Grand in 1907 to commit yet another crime after his release on licence from Parkhurst Prison.

Last highjacking:
Of course it was Rob and you who have located and are researching "George Jackson". With non conclusive I was evidently referring to the marriage certificate, the alleged handwriting, and the whereabouts of the deportation.

Again, apologies for the brief highjacking.

[DVV]

No problem Mike, I think we all agree the suspicion wasn't Hutch-based.

We've all been off-topic but for once it helped the cause, thanks to Tom and you regarding White.

[mklhawley]

DVV,

It was my fault for going off topic. Sorry.

Mike

[Debra A]

The new info not contained in that article posted at the JTRForums (pertaining to “George Jackson“) is still being researched and for some part non conclusive (yet).

Sorry, this is going to be off topic, so apologies in advance to everyone, but I can't keep seeing this happen all the time and not say anything anymore.

Maria, what on earth are you talking about?!
It was Rob and myself who found and posted the new info about Le Grand's alias, crime and incarceration as George Jackson. What part is non conclusive? It was an alias used by Le Grand in 1907 to commit yet another crime after his release on licence from Parkhurst Prison.

The only reason the JTRforums new Le Grand threads meander so much is because of your hijacking of them, otherwise they would read straight forwardly enough, information posted as it was found.

[DVV]

Coupeur de cheveux en 4

This one is PC White of Matthew Packer fame.

PS, not PC, carissima.

[mariab]

Sorry, from Tuesday on I'll be real busy, as I'll get back my book manuscript from the jr. editor with comments and annotations and need to finalize the manuscript and index to go to the senior editor after New Year's (then hopefully to the publisher), plus I'm hoping to start writing my second book at some point in February. We're talking 450-500 p. manuscripts, both in German. And I might manage writing my Berner Street article at some point in February (though it's safe to say the schedule will be delayed, as usual).

The Le Grand threads at the JTRForums are the ones that contain the real useful information, though they're a bit meander-like, and the older ones contain info not updated. Oh, and they're much longer than the casebook Le Grand thread. If you need quick and easily accessible info on Le Grand, the Examiner 2 piece is plenty sufficient. The new info not contained in that article posted at the JTRForums (pertaining to “George Jackson“) is still being researched and for some part non conclusive (yet).

I'm looking forward to reading your NIR piece (including Birmingham) and I'd be grateful if we could discuss some Tumblety details when I've prepared and before attempting researching a few things from Chicago.

With apologies for the short highjacking.

[mklhawley]

Hi Mike, yes, that's Sgt. Stephen White, separate from Inspector James White.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

By the way, La Grand needs another thread. The other one is just too long to read in one sitting. I know, I know, you're waiting for your book, so maybe Mariab can do it.

Mike

[mariab]

This one is PC White of Matthew Packer fame.

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Mike, yes, that's Sgt. Stephen White, separate from Inspector James White.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[mklhawley]

Here's a Detective Sergeant White involved in the case:

"The affair has until now been kept a profound secret; but the matter was, it is asserted, rregarded at first as of such improtance that Inspector Reid, Inspector Abberline, and the other officers engaged in the case, believed that a clue of a highly improtant character had been obtained. It apears that Detective Sergeants W. Thicke and S. White, of Criminal Investigation Department, made a house-to-house inquiry in the locality of the Berner street murder...." (the Echo, October 15)

Mike

[DVV]

Thanks for the (good) link, Phil.