Name your top 3 suspects with top 3 reasons why you think so...

[ChainzCooper]

Hi Ben,
I was referring more to what Chainzcooper said, i.e. the supposed “fearlesness“ factor while committing murder acts. By the way I'm currently surfing in South Africa, where great white sharks abund in the water, and I've met my share of REALLY fearless males, who accessorily haven't murdered anybody (unless you count fishing)...!

I'm not romanticizing anything theres a difference between being heroic and courageous and what these guys are able to do, the things which most of wouldn't be capable of. I guarantee you if you would have asked Richard Kuklinski if he was ever scared of anyone he would have looked at you like that was the dumbest question ever. Its not a supposed fearlessness that these guys have its just a fact and there have been studies backing this up.
Jordan

[mariab]

With Richard Kuklinski it's different. He was not a serial killer, but a hit man. Still, I'm sure he would have p.ed in his pants if confronted with some of the waves here, or with a great white shark!
ChainzCooper wrote:
what these guys are able to do, the things which most of wouldn't be capable of.
It's not that we wouldn't be able to do these acts they did out of “lack of courage“. It's that we have a moral compass, and we chose not to, nor do we need to commit acts of violent crime to personalize ourselves as an identity.

[Ben]

It's not an absence of fear that characterizes the behaviour of many serial killers, but rather an ability to persevere in spite of it. I've never heard it claimed in any psychological study that an individual can be wholly without fear.

[mariab]

Ben wrote:
I've never heard it claimed in any psychological study that an individual can be wholly without fear.
I think one can be wholly without fear after a very traumatic event, like surviving a plane crash, a bad automobile accident, or a shark attack, but this has nothing whatsoever to do with serial killers. They choose a pretty safe path, by attacking victims weaker than themselves.

[ChainzCooper]

With Richard Kuklinski it's different. He was not a serial killer, but a hit man. Still, I'm sure he would have p.ed in his pants if confronted with some of the waves here, or with a great white shark!
ChainzCooper wrote:
what these guys are able to do, the things which most of wouldn't be capable of.
It's not that we wouldn't be able to do these acts they did out of “lack of courage“. It's that we have a moral compass, and we chose not to, nor do we need to commit acts of violent crime to personalize ourselves as an identity.

I guess you've never seen The Ice Man Tapes in which Kuklinski is interviewed at length and in depth about his life.He was not at all different from what I am speaking about he is the same type of very rare killer. If you think for a second he ever peed in his pants about anything in his life you are sadly mistaken. You're confusing courageness and bravery with the instincts they are able to turn off which I am speaking about. Again, most of us can't do this and its hard for people to understand this aspect of Serial Killers.
Cool talking to you Maria
Jordan

[ChainzCooper]

Ben wrote:
I've never heard it claimed in any psychological study that an individual can be wholly without fear.
I think one can be wholly without fear after a very traumatic event, like surviving a plane crash, a bad automobile accident, or a shark attack, but this has nothing whatsoever to do with serial killers. They choose a pretty safe path, by attacking victims weaker than themselves.

They're attacking the type of victim that attracts them. Do you honestly believe guys like this are going to go after some 300 pound Gangster rapper or something? They're not, they go after who sexually attracts them ,who gets in their way, whoever gets them to where they want to be, etc. You're confusing what I'm saying here just because I speak of someones mental or physical attributes doesn't mean I'm complimenting or 'romanticizing' them. It means I'm giving an honest assessment of who they are. I'll give you an example to help me clarify what I mean and its kind of a personal one. I knew this girl in High School who I dated briefly. We actually met in Church, she attended a prestigious school in my town which is reserved for those who are extremely academically gifted. Only a select few (several hundred) in the entire state I live in are chosen to attend this place. Simply put, you have to be incredibly smart to get in. Well she was extremely attractive and everyone (My Mom included but she just assumed) thought she was so great because she attended this school. She was really good looking and so we went out a few times.Well to make a long story short it turns out she was this completely amoral person.What everyone failed to understand (myself included being the young guy I was) was that just because she went to this school it didn't make her a good person. They confused intelligence, book smarts, a willingness to learn, wanting to obtain many Degrees,trying to get into all these great colleges, even that she attended church with morality.Its not always one in the same and on the same level for people. Wow I kind of opened up with this one ha Good to talk to you guys after a hot day of work
Jordan