Did Jack had some sorta horrible experience in his life?

[Malcolm X]

the way i see it, is that we're all born the same, but the personality varies as do physical features etc etc..... and with regards to brain damage this could happen in the faetus stage, or damage to the frontal lobe due to an accident etc.........lack of conscience, is maybe because this area of the brain is damaged, i dont know.... maybe we have an expert around here who can tell us what's going on in their brains.

But we've no idea what's going on in JTR's mind, because it could even be the occult! ............ we wont know what his motives are until we know who he is.

[Malcolm X]

take for instance Charles Manson/ Ed Gine/Albert Fish/Bundy.....firstly and foremost, the one thing they all have in common is they're seriously mentally disturbed... they say it's a lack of conscience, no it's brain damage from childhood!

[Malcolm X]

JTR was twited up inside, but calm and in control while subduing his victims, he was not in a wild rage when he killed like Peter Sutcliffe (or like what happened to Tabram), he killed prostitutes because they were easy targets... it was a vulnerable woman out on the streets, on her own in the dark, he had a morbid fascination with mutilation and was after organs as a trophy.

but why he was like this we dont know, because there could be loads of reasons, i mentioned in the previous post what his personality might've been like.......but i steered well clear of why, because without knowing who the killer is, it's mere speculation.

many serial killers say that they had a bad/traumatic childhood, yes; but that's a convenient excuse to blame someone else.... there is no excuse to commit murder, my guess is; they're born mentally disturbed and the grudge/resentfullness grows and is magnified in adult life, and the only release is to kill somebody that represents/looks like this figure of hate
from their childhood etc.

because others that have had tough childhoods dont kill do they, they take it on the chin and move on..... they might have mental scars but they accept it, that's because they're not mentally disturbed, they're like you and i

[Mascara & Paranoia]

Im not sure about this but could it be that Jack's mother or someone else important in his life was a prostitute and this woke something like a grudge against them?
I defo heard of cases like this before.

I'd have thought hundreds of boys (and girls) had mothers who turned to prostitution in those days, and I doubt hardly any of them turned into murderers because of it. The only reason I can see how the prozzie and/or abusive mum theory comes into play is the victims' ages (minus MJK) and the reproductive organs having been snagged; his victims being prostitutes needn't have to mean anything beyond their expendability. So if his mum did play any role in how he was in adulthood, then it wasn't the only contributing factor. Jacky seems to have been wired a certain way regardless; his murders seem just as sexual as they do misogynistic.

[Observer]

I'd say Jack had a horrible experience in his life namely living in the Whitechapel, Spitalfields Bethnal Green, area of London in 1888.

all the best

Observer

[Lika]

Im not sure about this but could it be that Jack's mother or someone else important in his life was a prostitute and this woke something like a grudge against them?
I defo heard of cases like this before.

``........yes women detect evil!

Yeah! We Love it!

but a man that knew JTR might think, ``he's ok, but a bit odd, not that sociable``.. because a man wont know anything anyway, men never get close to other men, all conversation is either about football, work, politics, drink and sex!

And you said it....

[Malcolm X]

Blimey do i feel indequate to be a male now after that post Malcolm.

I know your user-name says Malcolm but are you a male ?

definitely i'm a palace supporter and i'm upset that Pompey might be staying up and that Saints are going down

Hmm. Do you think 'ruined childhood' was a term that had any relevance at the time? Or do you think perhaps that it is a rather more modern concept

For Jack, whoever he may have been (now then, don't all shout at once - Ben, I'm talking to you....) the terms in which he viewed his own childhood would have depended to some extent on which part of the contemporary social hierarchy he came from.

If he was a lowly, working class type, then I doubt he'd have been crying into his red hanky. There were no children as we would recognise them in that sector of society. He'd have been set to work pretty much as soon as he could manage.

If, on the other hand, he was your Maybrick sort, or had even reached the type of dizzy heights from which he might have looked down on the Maybricks of that world, he may well have conceptualised his own childhood.

And I wouldn't be surprised at all, since contemporary popular visions of childhood among the better classes were generally at odds with the reality. The idea of childhood was one thing - the reality very often another.

So yes, maybe that's it. But who knows? Some people just take to killing without any apparent reason at all.

If the question is really must Jack have had a ruined childhood to become the degenerate he was...then that answer would be no. Did something happen to him that helped create the monster?,....without knowing "why"...thats an impossible question.

If you discover who he killed and mutilated for certain, and why he killed and mutilated...then we might have something if we also had his background.

Meaning....there is no way that we will ever be able to know whether his past had a part in creating his adult life's misadventures.

But it wouldnt be surprising, if it did.

Best regards all.

[halomanuk]

Blimey do i feel indequate to be a male now after that post Malcolm.

I know your user-name says Malcolm but are you a male ?

[Malcolm X]

it would be well hidden too, he would probably be a quiet person, shy and deep, but definitely not a sad recluse......... more like stand offish if the conversation got too personal, or other people started joking around in a party mood, you'd notice him walk off, it's not his scene at all; he's too evil to be that friendly/warm.

but women are far more astute/aware than men, especially girlfriends/lovers, she'd probably detect something seriously wrong with him, especially if let his guard down and said something disturbing.........e.g like Chapman saying, ``i'd have cut your head off and buried you over there``.....now that is something a normal person would never ever say,..........he's more likely to say ``why dont you f*** off back to your mothers, i'm sick of the sight of you``..... Chapman is therefore an excellent example, i.e ``you dont know him like i do, that man is capable of anything``........yes women detect evil!

but a man that knew JTR might think, ``he's ok, but a bit odd, not that sociable``.. because a man wont know anything anyway, men never get close to other men, all conversation is either about football, work, politics, drink and sex!

[DarkPassenger]

a sort of miswiring in the brain that connected up internal organs, women, and violent impulses in a way that made very little sense.

I'm sorry, Christine but I have to object to that statement!

That truly is a biologically-deterministic statement if ever I saw one. Putting not only the motive but the specific MO and resultant signature down to a biological cause ignores entirely the influence of experience and development. People are complex, multi-faceted individuals and Jack was no better. Imagine Jack sulking in bed, sick with a cold, and annoyed because he couldn't go out if he wanted to, or changing his mind about killing someone because he promised a mate he'd meet him in the pub for an all-nighter. Silly? I think not.

His methods suggest a comfort with gore, and a deep inadequacy he feels. Why else destroy, even disfigure a woman, and making a show of it? It's a form of resentment, revenge and assertion of power brewed deep in his mind, and the reasons for that, if Jack explained them, we'd probably dismiss as too trivial to be reasonable. It's about meaning, and how people use and create it in their own lives.

It bugs me that serial killers are often dubbed "pathological liars" because the researchers refuse to accept some of the explanations they offer about their motivation. As a result, researchers try to "interpret," or "read between the lines," or search for secondary sources to confirm their theories. I imagine a lot of so-called abuse which is attributed to serial killers may be invented by the researcher, and evidenced with a good dose of confirmation bias.

[Christine]

I think Jack had some sort of biological brain dysfunction, and that this was the ultimate cause of his actions. That said, there had to be a reason why his destructive impulses settled on the disemboweling of homeless women. It might have been something that seems rational (if not wholly reasonable) to us, like being abandoned by a mother who was a prostitute, or it might be something more or less random, a sort of miswiring in the brain that connected up internal organs, women, and violent impulses in a way that made very little sense.

[halomanuk]

Possibly any of the above,or,he could have just been born evil..it does happen.
He ended up with a fixation of some kind in his mind and that was that.

If people are like this then they would want to prove themselves,eg take on the police and test themselves.
The murders of Chapman and Eddowes shows the thrill -ride or risk prepared to be taken (time in the morning of Chapman's murder and the limited time with Eddowes).