Could the killer have been ambidextrous?

[smezenen]

But if we are assuming Kelly was definitely murdered by the ripper, why would he plan her murder, when ti others appear to be a case of wrong place, wrong time?

I still believe he planned them all, he may not have had a specific victim in mind but he surely picked the place and time. I believe he cased each area and planned out each murder much like a hunting trip. I also think he may have meet MJK in another place and would have done her there but for the fact that she invited him home.

[Sam Flynn]

Yes.. And I want to make it clear on my part. When I refer to an "Inquest" document I am referring to the documents listed as "Official" on this website. I am aware these are compiled from press reports and there is room for argument but if one wishes to argue we can start from there.

What's there to argue about? The snippets in the Times are no more "official" than those carried in other papers. It just so happens that the Echo and some other papers carry more detail - detail we should be grateful for, in the absence of the "true" official records. Even the official records can be deficient - and inaccurate - at times, so it's always best to look at more than the usual sources.

[Mitch Rowe]

Yes.. And I want to make it clear on my part. When I refer to an "Inquest" document I am referring to the documents listed as "Official" on this website. I am aware these are compiled from press reports and there is room for argument but if one wishes to argue we can start from there.

[Sam Flynn]

It's worth noting that most papers glossed over the details of Chapman's wounds, exercising the discretion suggested to them by Wynne Baxter. The upshot of this has been that most Ripper books, in referring to the Times or Telegraph, omit some significant details. One or two local papers carried significantly more information in respect of her wounds, however - and we can be thankful that they did. For example, the London Echo of 19th September 1888 reads:

Dr. Phillips: "The abdominal wall had been removed in three portions, two taken from the anterior part, and the other from another part of the body. There was a greater portion of the body removed from the right side than the left. On placing these three flaps of skin together, it was evident that a portion was wanting. I removed the intestines as I found them in the yard. The mesentery vessels were divided through. The large intestine remained in situ, but cut through with a keen incision transversely."

[Mitch Rowe]

They are rather similar, Mitch - the removal of the abdominal flesh in three flaps being noteworthy in both cases. However, Dr Phillips said that more of the right hand side of Chapman's abdomen was excavated - which makes sense, as the fence obstructed the left hand side of her body to a large extent. In the case of Kelly, the killer could have got up onto the bed to do some of the damage - in fact, he almost certainly did, as there are apparent bloody fingerprints smeared on Kelly's right calf. If they are fingerprints, then it would appear that the killer's left hand was responsible for them - further suggestive evidence that he was holding the knife in his right hand when those smears were made.

Oh.. I think its most likely JTR came up with a solution if he needed it. I dont think there is much of a chance JTR was ambidextrous just that it seems like it. I think it shows more of how comfortable JTR must have felt with his knife.

[Mitch Rowe]

Are there any images of chapman's injuries? I can only find a mortuary photo, none indicating the wounds.

The wounds are described in the inquest by Phillips. Here is a drawing wich represents basically Annies position.
http://photos.casebook.org/displayim...p&cat=15&pos=0

[Mitch Rowe]

But if we are assuming Kelly was definitely murdered by the ripper, why would he plan her murder, when ti others appear to be a case of wrong place, wrong time?

Well.. Because she may have been in an awkward position for the ripper and if unplanned there is more chance of discovery. But I need to study Eddowes. Whatever side he was working from there is probably his natural side.

[Sam Flynn]

As much as I hate to say this because it would be a very rare thing indeed but I think there is evidence of that. And I think he may have been able to use both hands equally well. If you look at the way Annie Chapman was killed and the way Mary Kelly was killed they are mirror images???

They are rather similar, Mitch - the removal of the abdominal flesh in three flaps being noteworthy in both cases. However, Dr Phillips said that more of the right hand side of Chapman's abdomen was excavated - which makes sense, as the fence obstructed the left hand side of her body to a large extent. In the case of Kelly, the killer could have got up onto the bed to do some of the damage - in fact, he almost certainly did, as there are apparent bloody fingerprints smeared on Kelly's right calf. If they are fingerprints, then it would appear that the killer's left hand was responsible for them - further suggestive evidence that he was holding the knife in his right hand when those smears were made.

[iris84]

I am left handed and I do alot of stuff equally well or even preferred with my right hand. But using a knife? I wouldnt dare try cutting up a turkey much less a woman during a murder.

Maybe JTR had been with MJK before and had planned what he was to do? Maybe once he strangled her it didnt matter and he time to think about how to cut her neck?

But if we are assuming Kelly was definitely murdered by the ripper, why would he plan her murder, when ti others appear to be a case of wrong place, wrong time?

[iris84]

As much as I hate to say this because it would be a very rare thing indeed but I think there is evidence of that. And I think he may have been able to use both hands equally well. If you look at the way Annie Chapman was killed and the way Mary Kelly was killed they are mirror images???

Either Jack was ready to swiftly use his knife in awkward positions(This is probably whats happening)or he is using his other hand.

Are there any images of chapman's injuries? I can only find a mortuary photo, none indicating the wounds.

[Mitch Rowe]

My great gran was left handed but was forced to write with her right hand and learned to use them both. Perhaps that was what happened to the Ripper.

I am left handed and I do alot of stuff equally well or even preferred with my right hand. But using a knife? I wouldnt dare try cutting up a turkey much less a woman during a murder.

Maybe JTR had been with MJK before and had planned what he was to do? Maybe once he strangled her it didnt matter and he time to think about how to cut her neck?

[iris84]

The right handed ripper, placed at nichols head rather than chest sounds likely. Not sure if I'm ready to say that's definitely the case. But was wondering what the explanation would have been for the lack of blood on her breast. I'm still new to this, so understand little about spatter. Or could her head have been turned to start with?

As for the George Yard idea, it's interesting, but it's just as possible Tabram had another customer. What would access have been like to the building?

[CLK]

My great gran was left handed but was forced to write with her right hand and learned to use them both. Perhaps that was what happened to the Ripper.

[Mitch Rowe]

As much as I hate to say this because it would be a very rare thing indeed but I think there is evidence of that. And I think he may have been able to use both hands equally well. If you look at the way Annie Chapman was killed and the way Mary Kelly was killed they are mirror images???

Either Jack was ready to swiftly use his knife in awkward positions(This is probably whats happening)or he is using his other hand.

[CLK]

Do you think Jack The Ripper was someone who lived in George Yard Buildings?