Did The Ripper Die Shortly After His Last Kill?

[celee]

OK. What is the total point of your post that I have missed?

Brad, I've just started posting here and I don't want to cause problems.

If you don't want me to be nice replying to you I can do that.

You have your opinions. I have mine.

Hi,

Actually, I was not refering to you when I made my less then gracious post. You did something very common, you focused in on certain componants and lost the total meaning of my post. If you take the time to read my post. You should be able to see that I was useing examples of suspects and motives to get my point across that there can be various reasons why the Ripper quit.

I was refering to Glenn. Who seems to agree with the general Idea of my previous post. However, instead of comming out an agreeing with me or even if he disagreed with me, he focuses in on a portion of my post and rips off. "I wish some people" He should know my name I sighn every post and if he read my post he should have relized I was not endorsing any organ harvest motive. I was just trying to point out that there could be many different motives for the killings and depending on the motive there could be many different reasons for the sudden stop or apparent stop of the killer.

I am very interested in any of your ideas and opinions. Thats how we learn. Perhapes I should have just let it go, but it was early in the morning and I was tired and it happens so often, people who just pick a post apart. Looking for any reason to say something negative. I usually am much more tolerant.

Your friend, Brad

[Mascara & Paranoia]

How do you know?

Common sense tells me. From what I've read about him, there's nothing to indicate that he had killer instincts let alone capable of the extensive mutilations that Mary fell victim to. To think that there was yet another murderer on the loose in Whitechapel at the exact same time period who was even worse than Jack the Ripper is a tad far-fetched (I think I just repeated myself from something I said in a different thread, but still ).

[Glenn Lauritz Andersson]

Hey. I'm not not on here long enough to know that serial killers can stop. Would Jack have stopped? Voluntarily? Really?

Of course he could have.
I am not saying it's the most likely possibility but anyone who totally rules it out needs to read up a bit on the subject.

All the best

[Nothing to see]

Hey. I'm not not on here long enough to know that serial killers can stop. Would Jack have stopped? Voluntarily? Really?

[Ben]

Was (Fleming) capable of inflicting even worse mutilations and damage than Jack the Ripper? No.

How do you know?

[Glenn Lauritz Andersson]

I think both options (three, if we include sudden illness) are very likely possibilities.
However, I once again want to point out that serial killers CAN stop, and that it's not viable to automatically conclude that there has to be a certain reason for him putting down the knife other than he simply had enough of it. It's not common, I admit, but crime history has shown us that it does happen. Too many people are taking too many things for granted here based on assumptions and beliefs about serial killers that are false.

All the best

[Mascara & Paranoia]

If Jack surfaced somewhere else, in England or another continent, would he change his style of killing? I don't get Abberline's endorsement of Klosowski as Jack. Ripping with a knife then poisoning?

Exactly. Two completely different beasts.

What I realize is that people get a preferred suspect in mind, either because they like their name, their look or the romanticism connected to the case or whatever, and then they clutch at straws to try and legitimately connect the dots and fail (and in some cases miserably - I mean, Druitt? He wasn't even a murderer). It's the same with Fleming and Kelly. He was insane, okay, he was romantically involved with Kelly, okay. Was he capable of inflicting even worse mutilations and damage than Jack the Ripper? No.

Sorry to go off topic but the opportunity to vent presented itself.

I think Jack either died or was incarcerated. Hell, maybe even both!

[Nothing to see]

I'm gonna have to make a list of possibilities otherwise I'll forget.

Suicide - Jack doesn't seem like the suicidal type to me. At all. So if he did die, that's 99% not the way he perished.

Illness - This is a convenient excuse to explain away why he quit IMO. Having said that though, it could be a (albeit clichéd) motive for his killings in the first place. I'm not convinced.

Incarcerated - Probable. Of course if that was the case then it was for something else other than the Whitechapel murders, maybe even a 'normal' murder, but definitely not a big cover-up or conspiracy. That's ridiculous.

Those are the only reasons I can think of at the top of my head, other than dying under under circumstances other than suicide or suffering an illness. Maybe his bad karma caught up with him and he got killed in a street brawl or something? Who knows.

I can't find the effort to go really in-depth with this because there's nothing we can factually conclude other than speculation.

Hey I agree with you. I don't think Jack committed suicide. I think he died and that's just IMO.

If Jack surfaced somewhere else, in England or another continent, would he change his style of killing? I don't get Abberline's endorsement of Klosowski as Jack. Ripping with a knife then poisoning?

[Mascara & Paranoia]

I'm gonna have to make a list of possibilities otherwise I'll forget.

Suicide - Jack doesn't seem like the suicidal type to me. At all. So if he did die, that's 99% not the way he perished.

Illness - This is a convenient excuse to explain away why he quit IMO. Having said that though, it could be a (albeit clichéd) motive for his killings in the first place. I'm not convinced.

Incarcerated - Probable. Of course if that was the case then it was for something else other than the Whitechapel murders, maybe even a 'normal' murder, but definitely not a big cover-up or conspiracy. That's ridiculous.

Those are the only reasons I can think of at the top of my head, other than dying under under circumstances other than suicide or suffering an illness. Maybe his bad karma caught up with him and he got killed in a street brawl or something? Who knows.

I can't find the effort to go really in-depth with this because there's nothing we can factually conclude other than speculation.

[Nothing to see]

Simply put , I was pointing out that different suspects an different motives would lead to a different conclusion on why the Ripper murders stopped.

In your post, you shoot down Druitt, Tumblety, The organ harvesting theory and the idea that you are being nice. I mean you misssed the total point of my post.

Your friend, Brad

OK. What is the total point of your post that I have missed?

Brad, I've just started posting here and I don't want to cause problems.

If you don't want me to be nice replying to you I can do that.

You have your opinions. I have mine.

[celee]

Hey I'm not trying to be nice, I'm trying to be polite. I guess they're the same.

I don't believe Jack was harvesting organs, Sorry, but I don't.

Jack was murdering for his jollies. Druitt is a non starter. I think. Sounded good, looked good on paper but..no.


Tumblety is just so out of the box I don't know where to begin.

No. Not JTR. IMO.

Simply put , I was pointing out that different suspects an different motives would lead to a different conclusion on why the Ripper murders stopped.

In your post, you shoot down Druitt, Tumblety, The organ harvesting theory and the idea that you are being nice. I mean you misssed the total point of my post.

Your friend, Brad

[Nothing to see]

Hey. I didn't mention suspects. You did. But it's OK.

Sorry if you think I'm being negative. I don't believe I am.

[celee]

Hi,

This is not the thread to discuss suspects. Who was Jack the Ripper? We all have our opinions. Read the post and think before you reply. If you read my post then you should relize that I am not putting forth a suspect or a motive. I was explaining how diffrent suspects and different motives could lead to different reasons why the Ripper quit.

Simply put, without a motive and without a certain killer we have no way of determining why the Ripper quit.

Again, not the place to discuss this but the Abberline interview is a great source of insight into what the lead Detective was thinking.

I wish some people would stop jumping at every post in a negative way.

Your friend, Brad

[Glenn Lauritz Andersson]

I don't think the Ripper harvested any organs either for a certain purprose (they were most likely taken as trophees and nothing else and not the main object).

I would seriously recommend that people stopped paying too much attention to what Abberline said in a dubious newspaper interview several years after the events.

All the best

[Nothing to see]

Hi Nothing to see,

Aright since you are being so nice I will stop joking around. It all depends on who your suspect is and the motive for the killings. For Example, if you believe Druitt was the Ripper and the killings were sexually motivated then of course he would not just be able to quit. Druitt drowned. Now say that your suspect was Tumblety, who was in his late 50s when the Ripper murders took place and he too was a sexual serial killer then I think it is possible for someone who is such an advanced age to curve his lust.

What if the Ripper was harvesting organs. Abberline suggest this in the press. If he was Harvesting Organs for himself or someone else he very well may have been able to stop when the police began to move in or he may have obtained all the organs he needed.

Without motive and a suspect, it is hard to say why the Ripper stoped.

Your friend, Brad

Hey I'm not trying to be nice, I'm trying to be polite. I guess they're the same.

I don't believe Jack was harvesting organs, Sorry, but I don't.

Jack was murdering for his jollies. Druitt is a non starter. I think. Sounded good, looked good on paper but..no.


Tumblety is just so out of the box I don't know where to begin.

No. Not JTR. IMO.