Morris Eagle the Ripper

[The Good Michael]

Robert,

I'm only just looking at a plausible scenario based on Eagle being the killer.

Lipski is answered on another thread and answered easily, I might add.

Morris Eagle, by his account was out and about during the entire time Stride was spotted and brought back to the Club. His time schedule fits to a T.
If we can find out that he was 5'5'' to 5'7"... who knows.

Mike

[Robert]

I'm assuming - perhaps wrongly - that Eagle was Jewish. So why should he shout "Lipski"?

Also, according to Schwartz, BS tried to pull her out of the yard. And he says he had nothing in his hands.

[The Good Michael]

Fisherman,

Right, they passed Marshall's house, but that wasn't more than 20 feet from the club. He didn't watch them go out of sight and perhaps they were just going a bit to get that parcel and then turned around. Who knows. It's just an attempt to fit some things together. As for Eagle, 12:40 and 12:45 are too close to give him the benefit of the doubt. As I said, he could have told the others that he was back at 12:40, for a bit of an alibi. Anyway, the timing is so close and the means of timekeeping makes 5 minutes immaterial.

Hats schmats.

Cheers,

Mike

[Ally]

I don't really see someone standing in the same spot for 40 minutes (luring her for a total of an entire hour) trying to entice her into the dark yard--again for an entire hour, right near a building where there are many people who can identify him. If we were talking about 5-10 minutes before he gave up and tried to bash her, that's one thing. But to stand out in the open for a solid hour trying to get her into the yard?

[Fisherman]

Hi Mike!

Interesting to see this all put into a timeline. There are a few things I don´t agree with (as always), though:

"11:55 Marshall is done watching them as they go towards the club"

He did not see them go towards the club, not unless they were planning to round the planet. They walked SOUTH, Mike!

In your scenario, he cuts first, and then casually tosses the body to the ground. That is not consistent with the fact that no bloodspurrts were to be seen. But I like the part with the parcel, Eagle seeing the tug-of-war outside the doors and the murder itself through, without letting go of his chips, only to munch away at them inside the club later.

The time Eagle came back to the club is normally given as 12.35-12.40, meaning that adding 5-10 minutes is awkward.

Marshalls man and Smiths men wore different types of hats.

But of course, adding a little fantasy and changing a few times, we can launch old (well...) Morris as the Ripper. Then again, the same thing would go for Diemschitz, Wess, Kozebrodsky and PC Smith too. And Packer, come to think of it.

All the best,
Fisherman

[The Good Michael]

Harry,

Yes. This is only based on Eagle being the Ripper. You can figure out the domestic part.

Mike

[harry]

The above scenario seems to rule out a domestic situation.If Eagle was not the Ripper,what is a conceivable reason for killing her.If he was the Ripper,how does he measure up to other suspects seen with victims.

[The Good Michael]

This is a timeline based upon Tom Wescott's idea that Morris Eagle could have been the Ripper and the broad-shouldered man.


9-10:30 William Wess walks an English friend home. He is the publisher of the Arbeter Fraint

11:30 Meeting adjourns

11:30 or so, Eagle walks lady friend home. Let’s look at what happens between Eagle’s coming and going:

11:45 Marshall see Stride kissing a stout, 5’6” man. Stride has no flower

11:55 Marshall is done watching them as they go towards the club

12:30-12:35 PC Smith see 5’7” man with Stride. He has a parcel.


3 things appear to happen almost simultaneously. Eagle says he was back at the club at 12:40, but for the sake of argument, let’s say 12:45.

Here’s what occurs at roughly the same time:

12:45 Brown see Stride and 5’7” man

12:45 Schwartz see 5’5” man toss Stride to the ground

12:45 Eagle comes back to the club

Next

12:46 or so, BS shouts Lipski to a second man, who seems to trail Schwartz after that

1:00 Diemschutz cart shies at Stride’s body. He pulls left into the yard and hops down to see her dead.


Here is a new timeline that makes sense to me regarding Eagle as BS and as JTR (possibly)

11:30 Eagle takes lady friend home

11:40 Eagle picks up Stride. He tells her he is an important fellow at the club and that there is good booze and comfortable quarters to be had. He talks her into at least walking in that direction to see what's what. He has no intention of actually taking her inside the Club Building. He knows that it will be a busy place for a few more hours, but the yard will be quiet. He knows this from being affiliated with the Club for a while.

11:45 Marshall sees their carryings-on.

11:55 They are close to the gates of the club. Eagle is trying to talk her into going into the darkened yard, but she hasn’t been drinking and is a bit wary. Plus, there are only a lot of young men in the club. The conversation is about his “It’s completely safe” and her “I don’t trust so many men.”

12:00-12:30 A flower seller, knowing that women sometimes leave the Club with their men, passes by to see if the Club is out yet. Eagle buys a flower for Stride to please her. She says, “A girl can’t eat a flower.” He gets her some fish and chips which are in the parcel, or some fruit.

12:35 PC Smith walks by and sees the pair. She is now wearing the flower, but they haven’t tucked into the food yet. Eagle/BS is going to use that as a further lure.

12:45 Nothing is working and Eagle tries to pull her into the yard as Schwartz is coming down Berner Street. Stride is too strong and he simply lets go of her which looks like a shove.

12:46 A man smoking a pipe is coming out of the doorway of a pub as Schwartz is crossing the street. Eagle shouts Lipski and Pipeman follows Schwartz to see what that was about. He’s been drinking and has no fear of a little Jew. Also, Stride is down, perhaps Pipeman has seen Eagle around as Eagle is always at the Club, but Schwartz is suspicious looking as he is an unknown Jew.

12:47 Eagle lifts Stride up using the hair, takes her into the yard, and cuts her throat. He has run out of time. He knows that people will be getting out of the Club soon. He casually tosses the body down and goes into the club and eats his fish and chips. As far as anyone knows, he was back by 12:40 because he tells some of them that.

Cheers,

Mike