Kosminski/Kaminsky - please debunk

[Danny Spence]

In my opinion nothing surrounding Kosminski can be relied upon as being anywhere near accurate and safe to rely on.

Macngahten is the first to mention a likely suspect who he only refers to by surname, that name being Kosminski, that was in his memo in 1894. All that is known about Kosminski from that memo does not match the antecedents of Aaron Kosminski. Despite that 130 years later there are those who still want to readily accept that the two Kosminskis are one and the same. In the amended memo which is now known as the Aberconway Version he in effect removes from further suspicion the man referred to as Kosminski.

Macngahten, was Swansons immediate superior but mentions nothing about any Seaside home ID, or any ID for that matter, so a question mark hangs over the Swanson marginalia and who did actually write the pencil annotations, which could not have been written until after 1910, and again like in Macngahtens memo only the surname is mentioned. The ID parade if it did ever happen in the way suggested, is one of the most significant pieces of evidence in this case and no one involved seems to know or want to put in print the full name of the prime suspect, and taking into account all the logistics required to stage such a parade, there are only two people out of all the police officers and officials involved in the investigation who mention it ever taking place, and that I find really unusual.

Now onto Anderson from 1888 right through to at least 1908 he is quoted on many occasions as stating the police did not have any clues as to the identity of the killer. Yet in 1910 when he published his book out of the blue comes the ID parade and all that went with it. Why did he not mention the suspects name. Some will say to protect the family or the identity of the suspect. But if Swansons marginalia is to be believed, he states Kosminski died around 1889, when in fact he didn't die till 1919.

There are also contradictions between Swanson and Anderson. Swanson wrote that the suspect was identified and then incarcerated, whilst Anderson wrote that the suspect was incarcerated and then identified.

A full investigative review of all everything to Aaron Kosminski and the Swanson marginalia can be found in my book Jack the Ripper the real truth

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Jack-Ripper...5752176&sr=8-2

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Hi there Trevor. Just out of interest, is your 'The Real Truth' book a completely new book, or is it a revised edition of your 'JTR: 21st Century Investigation'? I actually loved '21st Century Investigation' and even though I ultimately disagreed with your Feigenbaum conclusion, I found the book a mighty good read and one of my favourite overall overviews of the case in generally. It was very well written.

[Trevor Marriott]

I think we can all agree that Kosminski was the man suspected by Anderson and Co. What we need to get to the bottom of now is WHY he was suspected. In my opinion, I find it likely that the main reason why Kosminski was suspected was simply because he matched what a lot of people assumed the murderer had to be - a raving lunatic. This, matched with the fact that he threatened his sister with a knife, adds to the factors that they were searching for. Now, years later, we get a sense that JTR likely wasn't a raving maniac or a psychotic monster, but a cool, calculated 'normal' fellow. Definitely not what Anderson etc expected the killer to be. Kosminski was just a stereotype who matched the bill. This man clearly doesn't work as a suspect.

In my opinion nothing surrounding Kosminski can be relied upon as being anywhere near accurate and safe to rely on.

Macngahten is the first to mention a likely suspect who he only refers to by surname, that name being Kosminski, that was in his memo in 1894. All that is known about Kosminski from that memo does not match the antecedents of Aaron Kosminski. Despite that 130 years later there are those who still want to readily accept that the two Kosminskis are one and the same. In the amended memo which is now known as the Aberconway Version he in effect removes from further suspicion the man referred to as Kosminski.

Macngahten, was Swansons immediate superior but mentions nothing about any Seaside home ID, or any ID for that matter, so a question mark hangs over the Swanson marginalia and who did actually write the pencil annotations, which could not have been written until after 1910, and again like in Macngahtens memo only the surname is mentioned. The ID parade if it did ever happen in the way suggested, is one of the most significant pieces of evidence in this case and no one involved seems to know or want to put in print the full name of the prime suspect, and taking into account all the logistics required to stage such a parade, there are only two people out of all the police officers and officials involved in the investigation who mention it ever taking place, and that I find really unusual.

Now onto Anderson from 1888 right through to at least 1908 he is quoted on many occasions as stating the police did not have any clues as to the identity of the killer. Yet in 1910 when he published his book out of the blue comes the ID parade and all that went with it. Why did he not mention the suspects name. Some will say to protect the family or the identity of the suspect. But if Swansons marginalia is to be believed, he states Kosminski died around 1889, when in fact he didn't die till 1919.

There are also contradictions between Swanson and Anderson. Swanson wrote that the suspect was identified and then incarcerated, whilst Anderson wrote that the suspect was incarcerated and then identified.

A full investigative review of all everything to Aaron Kosminski and the Swanson marginalia can be found in my book Jack the Ripper the real truth

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Jack-Ripper...5752176&sr=8-2

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Uncle Jack]

Sorry mate, but that's one heck of a non-sequitur.

Considerable evidence suggests that Aaron Kosminski WAS Anderson's suspect.

Whether he was harmless or not is a separate issue. You've placed the cart in front of the horse.

I think we can all agree that Kosminski was the man suspected by Anderson and Co. What we need to get to the bottom of now is WHY he was suspected. In my opinion, I find it likely that the main reason why Kosminski was suspected was simply because he matched what a lot of people assumed the murderer had to be - a raving lunatic. This, matched with the fact that he threatened his sister with a knife, adds to the factors that they were searching for. Now, years later, we get a sense that JTR likely wasn't a raving maniac or a psychotic monster, but a cool, calculated 'normal' fellow. Definitely not what Anderson etc expected the killer to be. Kosminski was just a stereotype who matched the bill. This man clearly doesn't work as a suspect.

[rjpalmer]

A question of Koz and affect?

Oh my! Full marks for that one.

[Sam Flynn]

Whether he was harmless or not is a separate issue

A question of Koz and affect?

[rjpalmer]

Kosminski would have to be ruled out too as countless evidence shows he just can't be Anderson's Jewish suspect. Harmless imbecile, as declared by the doctors in the hospitals/asylums he attended.

Sorry mate, but that's one heck of a non-sequitur.

Considerable evidence suggests that Aaron Kosminski WAS Anderson's suspect.

Whether he was harmless or not is a separate issue. You've placed the cart in front of the horse.

[Abby Normal]

Harmless imbecile in the Autumn of 1888? We simply don't know that. In fact his court case for the unmuzzled dog later seems to point away from that.
What people seem to forget with Kosminski is that there must have been at least some circumstantial evidence in the first place to put him forward for ID in the first place. Or did they do that with every wandering/unhinged Jew walking the streets of Whitechapel? Lawende would have spent half his time down at the cop shop.
And lets say the police wanted to fit a Jew who had lost his marbles for the murders. What was wrong with Cohen? Found insane not long after the last murder, violent and with probably no known relatives. A far better fit for Jack. Why not him?

HI DK
I would imagine that Koz threatening his sister with a knife had something to do with it.

[Darryl Kenyon]

Harmless imbecile, as declared by the doctors in the hospitals/asylums he attended.

Harmless imbecile in the Autumn of 1888? We simply don't know that. In fact his court case for the unmuzzled dog later seems to point away from that.
What people seem to forget with Kosminski is that there must have been at least some circumstantial evidence in the first place to put him forward for ID in the first place. Or did they do that with every wandering/unhinged Jew walking the streets of Whitechapel? Lawende would have spent half his time down at the cop shop.
And lets say the police wanted to fit a Jew who had lost his marbles for the murders. What was wrong with Cohen? Found insane not long after the last murder, violent and with probably no known relatives. A far better fit for Jack. Why not him?

[Abby Normal]

Very much so Abby. Kosminski would have to be ruled out too as countless evidence shows he just can't be Anderson's Jewish suspect. Harmless imbecile, as declared by the doctors in the hospitals/asylums he attended.

To me, the only men that fit the Jew suspect could be Hyam Hyams or Jacob Levy, and even these have issues with them. As far as I am concerned, and that's just my personal view, the whole Anderson's Jew suspect is completely redundant and it shocks me that it continued to be the most popular theory still after all these years, despite evidence pointing to the contrary. The whole theory rests almost entirely on the Seaside home I.D, and this whole thing falls apart IMO because the likely witness was Lawende and he stated at the time of his sighting that he wouldn't recognise the man with Eddowes, so expected to I.D him two years later in 1890 seems improbable....

hi uncle
totally agree. I have to keep koz on my list of viable suspects though because he is mentioned by three police officers and there is the possible ID-but I agree that its tentative at best. however, the whole crazy jew theory kicked off by Anderson, that continues to this day with the boatload of jewish suspects fitted up with absolutely no ties to the case dosnt sit well with me. I totally discount them all unless any new evidence is found.

[Uncle Jack]

I humbly bow to your wisdom, Sir!

Why thank you kind sor!

[Fisherman]

Very much so Abby. Kosminski would have to be ruled out too as countless evidence shows he just can't be Anderson's Jewish suspect. Harmless imbecile, as declared by the doctors in the hospitals/asylums he attended.

To me, the only men that fit the Jew suspect could be Hyam Hyams or Jacob Levy, and even these have issues with them. As far as I am concerned, and that's just my personal view, the whole Anderson's Jew suspect is completely redundant and it shocks me that it continued to be the most popular theory still after all these years, despite evidence pointing to the contrary. The whole theory rests almost entirely on the Seaside home I.D, and this whole thing falls apart IMO because the likely witness was Lawende and he stated at the time of his sighting that he wouldn't recognise the man with Eddowes, so expected to I.D him two years later in 1890 seems improbable....

I humbly bow to your wisdom, Sir!

[Uncle Jack]

agree. the cohen/Kaminsky/koz theory is too convoluted any way.

Very much so Abby. Kosminski would have to be ruled out too as countless evidence shows he just can't be Anderson's Jewish suspect. Harmless imbecile, as declared by the doctors in the hospitals/asylums he attended.

To me, the only men that fit the Jew suspect could be Hyam Hyams or Jacob Levy, and even these have issues with them. As far as I am concerned, and that's just my personal view, the whole Anderson's Jew suspect is completely redundant and it shocks me that it continued to be the most popular theory still after all these years, despite evidence pointing to the contrary. The whole theory rests almost entirely on the Seaside home I.D, and this whole thing falls apart IMO because the likely witness was Lawende and he stated at the time of his sighting that he wouldn't recognise the man with Eddowes, so expected to I.D him two years later in 1890 seems improbable....

[rjpalmer]

Well I guess we'll just have to accept youse guys word for it then.

"The youse are the guys that won't be blamed for blinking"

[Scott Nelson]

Well I guess we'll just have to accept youse guys word for it then.

[Abby Normal]

Regardless of the who, whys and whats behind the seaside home I.D, it certainly seems to (almost) confirm that Cohen and/or Kaminsky wasn't the suspect involved. The I.D likely took place in 1890, possibly as late as 1891, and Cohen/Kaminsky was dead by this point.

agree. the cohen/Kaminsky/koz theory is too convoluted any way.