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[Mike J. G.]

Have any of you properly sat down and watched the show, though? My dad and I just popped it out in one go, there are some uncanny similarities. Also, there are records of him leaving the US in 1888, to England. Returning in 1889. Give the show a watch if you want to, I was very surprised - seeing as I believe Lechmere is the true ripper.

I've been watching it, and I have to say, they didn't find any evidence of him leaving the US for England at all. What they did was find variations of names on registers that matched various aliases of his, and what they failed to omit was that they saw several supposed aliases on the same registers.

So, either, they were common names of people, or Holmes weirdly traveled on the same boat with at least 5 different names, for no reason whatsoever.

If we're being logical, it would seem that the "aliases" were not actual aliases at all, and that these names belonged to average people traveling by boat.

There is basically not one iota of evidence to suggest Holmes was anything more than a bloke from Chicago who killed people over there.

[WastelandOfTheRipper]

I agree with all of the above. And as Mike said, surely he was in The States at the time?

Or is someone planning a Neil Cream-like piece of subterfuge including bribery and doppelgängers.

Regards
Herlock

Have any of you properly sat down and watched the show, though? My dad and I just popped it out in one go, there are some uncanny similarities. Also, there are records of him leaving the US in 1888, to England. Returning in 1889. Give the show a watch if you want to, I was very surprised - seeing as I believe Lechmere is the true ripper.

[Mike J. G.]

well he was, after all you know, his great great grandfather, H.H. Holmes.
LOL!
The whole things a joke and I could only stomach about 10 minutes of the nonsense until I turned the channel to something more credible like pro wrestling.

Tbf, I bloody like wrestling! lol.

I quite enjoy watching the show when I return from the pub, but as I say, it's clearly just another nonsense History show that only serves to bring in viewers and keep them tuned in.

I don't for a second buy into this guy's theory at all, and I'd be surprised if the bird with the inflated lips does, either, if she has any sense.

That kid with the pipe does my head in, too.

Tbh, it makes for a good drinking game, just take a drink every time he says "my great great grandfather, H.H. Holmes..."

[Abby Normal]

Having been following it On Demand out of sheer curiosity when I get back from the pub, it's funny how much mental gymnastics is on display to bend and shape Holmes into the "Ripper."

It obviously discounts some early murders and the "torsos", too, and assumes a great deal.

One thing I find quite annoying is the main guy's constant reference to his great great grandfather, H.H. Holmes.

Hey, my great great grandfather, H.H. Holmes.

Did I mention, my great great grandfather, H.H. Holmes.

I wonder how this relates to my great great grandfather, H.H. Holmes.

Give it a rest and shave that goatee, mate.

well he was, after all you know, his great great grandfather, H.H. Holmes.
LOL!
The whole things a joke and I could only stomach about 10 minutes of the nonsense until I turned the channel to something more credible like pro wrestling.

[Mike J. G.]

Not sure. Basically the History Channel claimed Earhart survived her 1937 disappearance based on a photo which they claimed was taken afterwards. A researcher reviewed it and determined it was a photo from 1935 and was already previously known. The History Channel had to come out and apologize and with a statement saying they're "looking into" how badly they could have flubbed that. This is the same Channel that has Ancient Aliens.

I always find it surprising that people find it surprising that the History channel is essentially a load of bollocks that is purely intended to string people along and gain viewers.

It's like telling kids about gory executions from the past in order to try and get them interested in history.

[Mike J. G.]

For your information the documentary series about H. H. Holmes being JtR starts tonight (Tuesday, July 11) on History Channel, here in the USA. Ads for it indicate he doubts that his ancestor was really executed, and intends to dig up the grave.

I'll watch it, out of an interest in Holmes, but I'm not expecting that we'll be crying "case closed!" afterwards.

Having been following it On Demand out of sheer curiosity when I get back from the pub, it's funny how much mental gymnastics is on display to bend and shape Holmes into the "Ripper."

It obviously discounts some early murders and the "torsos", too, and assumes a great deal.

One thing I find quite annoying is the main guy's constant reference to his great great grandfather, H.H. Holmes.

Hey, my great great grandfather, H.H. Holmes.

Did I mention, my great great grandfather, H.H. Holmes.

I wonder how this relates to my great great grandfather, H.H. Holmes.

Give it a rest and shave that goatee, mate.

[Pcdunn]

Hello Pat,

It seems to me that if the Lodger story is true then the landlady would have been used as a key witness which as far as I know did not happen.

c.d.

Hi, c.d.,

Yes, this is a good point. Thanks for the reply.

[Syclone]

I can file this bit of nonsense with Cornwell's disparaging tirade against Sickert.

[c.d.]

Hello Pat,

It seems to me that if the Lodger story is true then the landlady would have been used as a key witness which as far as I know did not happen.

c.d.

[Pcdunn]

I hadn't been aware of the landlady's story that she saw the Lodger again many years later, which does seem like utter fantasy. Doesn't mean the rest of the story didn't happen, though.

I noticed they liked Tumblety's quack doctor aspect, but ruled him out as being Holmes on account of his age.

[c.d.]

I watched the third episode last night. Holmes' descendant was talking with Stewart Evans and Stewart was discussing the Batty Street Lodger as though the story had some legitimacy. I was always under the impression that the story was kind of iffy at best. Also, if true, wouldn't the landlady have been a major witness for the police?

c.d.

[YankeeSergeant]

Holmes

According to Erik Larsen in The devil in the White City, Holmes was in Chicago in the summer of 1888 overseeing construction of his "murder castle" He also states Holmes bought the Hoten's (sp) pharmacy or acquired the deed from Mrs. Hoten. the pharmacy was located across the street from the murder castle.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Chris,

Modesty forbids.

Regards,

Simon

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi All,

The story of Jack the Ripper is the epitome of fake news.

Facts, no fiction?

I recommend a reading of "Deconstructing Jack: The Secret History of the Whitechapel Murders."

Regards,

Simon

Oh, who wrote that book then?

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

The story of Jack the Ripper is the epitome of fake news.

Facts, no fiction?

I recommend a reading of "Deconstructing Jack: The Secret History of the Whitechapel Murders."

Regards,

Simon