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The Strange Death Of Montague John Druitt
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Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
Fair point Joshua.
As a suggestion though. If he saw the Tukes as friends or as being ‘on his side’ he might have seen their place as a kind of sanctuary as opposed to a forced incarceration in somewhere less salubrious?
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Why did he have those two cheques in his pocket if he was intending suicide?
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Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post
If your suggestion that he might have feared being incarcerated in an asylum is true, it seems unlikely that he would voluntarily visit one.
As a suggestion though. If he saw the Tukes as friends or as being ‘on his side’ he might have seen their place as a kind of sanctuary as opposed to a forced incarceration in somewhere less salubrious?
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Originally posted by spyglass View PostHi all,
A return ticket suggests he planned to return, that's of course he was thinking straight.
If he did plan to commit suicide by drowning, then the river Thames is just a walk away from Blackheath.
I've never been able to obtain whether he was found with his shoes on, because if he didnt then suicide is likely.
I remember hearing this from a river policemen based on the Thames some years back.
Regards.
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Hi all,
A return ticket suggests he planned to return, that's of course he was thinking straight.
If he did plan to commit suicide by drowning, then the river Thames is just a walk away from Blackheath.
I've never been able to obtain whether he was found with his shoes on, because if he didnt then suicide is likely.
I remember hearing this from a river policemen based on the Thames some years back.
Regards.
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Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
David Anderson suggested that Monty might have visited the Manor House Asylum at Chiswick (where his mother was later incarcerated and died) He was acquainted with the Tukes who ran the asylum so he may have gone to see one of them? Maybe he was staying there?
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Originally posted by Bridewell View PostIf Druitt travelled by train from Charing Cross to Hammersmith, what did he do when he got there? His body was found in the river 'near Thornycrofts' which I take to be a reference to the shipbuilders of that name who were based in Chiswick. As Chiswick is upstream from Hammersmith he must have travelled (walked?) for several miles in order to arrive at a point upriver from where his body was found. I guess it's not improbable that a man contemplating suicide may have walked around for a bit before doing the deed but could he really have gone into the river at Hammersmith and ended up 2 miles upstream at Chiswick?. I know it's tidal but the overall direction of water travel is downstream.
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Originally posted by Bridewell View Post
Fascinating stuff. Thanks, Trevor.Last edited by Herlock Sholmes; 10-25-2020, 08:07 PM.
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Originally posted by Bridewell View Post
Apologies. I wasn't suggesting that the school staff knew that he was dead but that, if he left his belongings behind they would surely have held onto them until he or somebody else collected them. It would be rather high-handed to chuck them out without further enquiry as to his whereabouts.
I wonder if the school might have contacted KBW to try and get Monty to get his stuff moved? Could this have been what pushed someone from KBW to contact William? Then again, William said that he didn’t discover Monty’s dismissal until he got to London.Last edited by Herlock Sholmes; 10-25-2020, 08:09 PM.
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Originally posted by Bridewell View PostIf Druitt travelled by train from Charing Cross to Hammersmith, what did he do when he got there? His body was found in the river 'near Thornycrofts' which I take to be a reference to the shipbuilders of that name who were based in Chiswick. As Chiswick is upstream from Hammersmith he must have travelled (walked?) for several miles in order to arrive at a point upriver from where his body was found. I guess it's not improbable that a man contemplating suicide may have walked around for a bit before doing the deed but could he really have gone into the river at Hammersmith and ended up 2 miles upstream at Chiswick?. I know it's tidal but the overall direction of water travel is downstream.
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Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
This might throw some light on what happened to him and how he died and where he died.
It is suggested that Druitt went to Chiswick to visit a high class club for homosexuals at The Osiers, Chiswick Mall, and the home of one Henry Wilson from 1887 until 1895.
Henry Wilson was a barrister, a close friend of the Duke of Clarence and a leading member of the Apostles, an exclusive, esoteric and secretive homosexual group. Homosexuality was, of course, illegal and the need for secrecy was particularly necessary in the 1880s and 1890s.
Druitt’s body was found in the River Thames at Chiswick that in itself begs a question “Did he jump, or was he pushed”?
www.trevormarriott.co.uk
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Originally posted by Bridewell View PostWhere is it thought that Druitt entered the river? Do we know? Not Hammersmith presumably.
It is suggested that Druitt went to Chiswick to visit a high class club for homosexuals at The Osiers, Chiswick Mall, and the home of one Henry Wilson from 1887 until 1895.
Henry Wilson was a barrister, a close friend of the Duke of Clarence and a leading member of the Apostles, an exclusive, esoteric and secretive homosexual group. Homosexuality was, of course, illegal and the need for secrecy was particularly necessary in the 1880s and 1890s.
Druitt’s body was found in the River Thames at Chiswick that in itself begs a question “Did he jump, or was he pushed”?
www.trevormarriott.co.uk
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If Druitt travelled by train from Charing Cross to Hammersmith, what did he do when he got there? His body was found in the river 'near Thornycrofts' which I take to be a reference to the shipbuilders of that name who were based in Chiswick. As Chiswick is upstream from Hammersmith he must have travelled (walked?) for several miles in order to arrive at a point upriver from where his body was found. I guess it's not improbable that a man contemplating suicide may have walked around for a bit before doing the deed but could he really have gone into the river at Hammersmith and ended up 2 miles upstream at Chiswick?. I know it's tidal but the overall direction of water travel is downstream.
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Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
To be honest Eten the same could be said about Kosminski or any of the named suspects. We have no specific evidence against any suspect apart from that they were around at the time and appeared to be of the type or were mentioned by police.
A lot of this is down to whether MacNaghten genuinely did have reason to suspect Druitt or did he lie or was he mistaken? He went on record to say that he had good reason, that he’d received private information and that the Druitt family believed Monty to have been guilty. Could he have had info from the family? Was there a link/avenue? Yes, one of Mac’s best friends was related to the family by marriage. As Roger Palmer pointed out why did so many people in later years all accept MacNaghten’s solution?
Ive always been fascinated by Druitt. I favour him of the named suspects but I’m not saying that he was definitely the ripper. Even his death was strange. I certainly think that he’s worthy of continued research.
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