Subterfuge

[GUT]

Why is JtR from Stourbridge

G'Day Ashkenaz

Can you explain why you say "in Stourbridge,JtR’s hometown"? Why do you say that Jacky was from Stourbridge? Are you reasoning in reverse? Because you think Bury is Jack is Bury is Jack and Bury is from Stourbridge then Jacky must be from Stourbridge.

Please Explain!

GUT

[GUT]

G'Day

When a criminal trial "today" is based on identification evidence the Judge MUST give a warning that identification evidence is notoriously unreliable. Try it for yourself, go for a walk with two or three friends then just after you pass someone that might be noticeable because of what they are doing or how they are dressed, all of you describe the person. You will be shocked how far apart the descriptions are.

GUT

[lynn cates]

B & G

Hello Ashkenaz.

"Jtr is described by Best and Gardener two labourers, with “sore eyes without any eyelashes”"

Wasn't aware that B & G had described JTR--just a bloke they claimed was with Liz.

Cheers.
LC

[Ashkenaz]

I also think it likely that Ada was an early victim of JtR. There is a clue here. Why did Bury have a sun tanned face in March as Ada reported at the time ? The only thing I can see, is that he may of worked at the time in a foundry.

Jack the Ripper Unmasked, Beadle.

Further to my last post . Ada Wilson describes her assailant as having a “sunburned face” Page 77, and on page 131, Jtr is described by Best and Gardener two labourers, with “sore eyes without any eyelashes”

There is only one way to lose eyelashes in March in Victorian London. You must work as a labourer in a foundry !

Bury had experience of working in foundries. On page 53 we are told that Bury worked at a foundry, and that in Stourbridge,JtR’s hometown, the local MP owned a iron foundry, which was one of the larger places of employment in the area.

[Ashkenaz]

I have always thought it highly possible that Ada was an early victim of JtR, Bury, due to the geography of the attack site and Bury's home.

I also pay more attention to someone's height being "an inch taller than the deceased" than a figure such as 5'3" or 5'7" or whatever.

These are just my opinions and may be wrong.

I also think it likely that Ada was an early victim of JtR. There is a clue here. Why did Bury have a sun tanned face in March as Ada reported at the time ? The only thing I can see,is that he may of worked at the time in a foundary.

I don't think Bury had any history as a sailor, which might also explain the sun tanned in March.

[johns]

I have always thought it highly possible that Ada was an early victim of JtR, Bury, due to the geography of the attack site and Bury's home.

I also pay more attention to someone's height being "an inch taller than the deceased" than a figure such as 5'3" or 5'7" or whatever.

These are just my opinions and may be wrong.

[Boggles]

Before proceeding too far with Ada Wilson, you might wish to have a go at Mark Ripper's article about her in "Rip" 125. Excellent piece

I have my reasons for being interested in Ada's candacy as an early ripper victim so let me know if it convinces you either way.

[Boggles]

Well i think its fair to say he was a cunning little chap. It wouldnt be too hard to dress up in miltary attire and go out with your mate on the piss just for the crack. Once my mates and I actaully grew mustaches so we could make our mexican themed stag party costumes all that bit more authentic.

could have been both 5'3" and 5'7", look no further than Levy and Lawende

Spot on and here i would always side with the witness who was comparing with another person - ie. ''the supsect was a inch taller than the deceased''
These 5'7s reports dosent put me off, the hat adds another couple of inches.

[Cogidubnus]

Marcel Wave

The subterfuge regarding the full beard, built-up boots and moustache dyeing begins to take me back...

All the best

Dave

[Wyatt Earp]

Ashkenaz, if Bury was the Ripper and he had his cart parked somewhere in the area, I would not be surprised if he changed his hat and possibly also his coat immediately following a murder. And I would not be surprised if he chose to wear a different outfit on his next killing expedition. I wouldn't be too concerned about the different height estimates, however. If you want to know how Bury could have been both 5'3" and 5'7", look no further than Levy and Lawende. They both looked at the same guy but provided different height estimates. At least one of them was off the mark, but we don't know which one. The thing to keep in mind with witness descriptions is that they're sometimes inaccurate.

[Ashkenaz]

Oh.. go on then, lol

[lynn cates]

X marks the spot.

Hello Ashkenaz. Thanks.

Will an "X" do as well? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Ashkenaz]

And you'll sign my copy ?

[lynn cates]

back copies

Hello Ashkenaz. Thanks.

Yes, indeed. You'll want to chat up Chris George or Adam Wood for back copies.

Cheers.
LC

[Ashkenaz]

Hello Ashkenaz.

Before proceeding too far with Ada Wilson, you might wish to have a go at Mark Ripper's article about her in "Rip" 125. Excellent piece.

Cheers.
LC

Thank you muchly Lynn. I had never heard of it ! Are they for sale ?

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