Bury and the GSG

[Wyatt Earp]

Are there any accounts of local rumours that he was the Ripper (it's been a while since I've read my Bury books)?

Iain, it occurred to me that I neglected to respond to this specific question. I might be mistaken (and if I am, someone please correct me), but I don't think there is a record of rumors that he was the Ripper prior to Ellen's murder (certainly after her murder, the rumors began flying all over the place).

As I've said, it was known to people that they were from the East End. When the Burys first arrived in Dundee, they stayed at a place on Union Street before eventually moving on to the Princes Street address. An incident occurred at the Union Street place that I suppose could have provided an impetus to a rumor of that sort prior to Ellen's murder. Bury had been haggling with his landlady over the rent, and he apparently gave her such a wicked look that the landlady decided to thereafter stay away from him -- she sent her daughter to attend to the Burys instead. Not exactly a shining moment of courage on her part!

[Wyatt Earp]

The chalked messages were probably written by Bury. I'm wondering what his motivation to write them would be. Are they some sought of confession? Was he trying to scare Ellen Bury? Was he trying to scare other people?

What I've suggested in another thread is that this was possibly one of several measures he took in an effort to keep people away from the residence after Ellen's murder (the others being that he began to lock the front door when it had been kept unlocked before, and that he began to keep the rear blinds drawn all the time). If he had her body in there, he wouldn't have wanted anyone to get close to the residence. While the chalking of the messages might seem like an extreme measure, Bury was not a normal guy, and if he had heard kids laughing or goofing around out back at some point, that might have been enough to stir him into trying to scare them off with something creepy like this.

[Iain Wilson]

Quite possibly. Or, it could be a form of attention seeking. A lot of serial killers crave the attention that their crimes bring - perhaps with the heat off in Dundee he wanted to bring back a little bit of the noterity that he had "enjoyed" down south?

[John Wheat]

The chalked messages were probably written by Bury. I'm wondering what his motivation to write them would be. Are they some sought of confession? Was he trying to scare Ellen Bury? Was he trying to scare other people?

[Wyatt Earp]

Yeah; from what I recall about Ellen she was barely literate and, misspellings aside, she is not a likely candidate for the PSG.

Bury remains the most likely candidate (if he was the murderer maybe he missed the notoriety he enjoed in London?) unless of course some locals, knowing the Burys had travelled from Whitechapel, were having a joke at their expense. Are there any accounts of local rumours that he was the Ripper (it's been a while since I've read my Bury books)? Maybe it's as simple as some local kids delighting in laughing at "that wired guy from down south"?

Oh, I'm sure word got around about their having come from the East End. For example, we have the report of the neighbor asking Ellen about JTR along with her famous reply of "Jack the Ripper is quiet now." And if schoolboys chalked the messages, it was no doubt some horseplay related to their having come from the East End.

It's worth mentioning that the messages were in two different spots at the back of the residence. If schoolboys wrote them, we are not looking at a scenario where they were standing side-by-side, each scribbling their own message. One was at the turn of the stairwell leading down to the back door, while the other was on the back door itself. They weren't far apart, but it seems a little odd that schoolboys would plan them out like this, or write them in sequence like this, so that one would write the first one at the turn, and then further along the other one would write something on the back door.

If on the other hand Bury chalked the messages to scare people off after Ellen's murder, you can see what he was doing. Give them an initial fright at the turn of the stair, and if that didn't work, give them something even more ominous on the back door itself. I think it's very possible to view these messages as Bury's creepy two-part warning system. "Stay away."

[Iain Wilson]

Yeah; from what I recall about Ellen she was barely literate and, misspellings aside, she is not a likely candidate for the PSG.

Bury remains the most likely candidate (if he was the murderer maybe he missed the notoriety he enjoed in London?) unless of course some locals, knowing the Burys had travelled from Whitechapel, were having a joke at their expense. Are there any accounts of local rumours that he was the Ripper (it's been a while since I've read my Bury books)? Maybe it's as simple as some local kids delighting in laughing at "that wired guy from down south"?

[Wyatt Earp]

It is an interesting line of thinking; I was also fascinated by the PSG and its provinance. Is there a sample of it anywhere or is it another scribble in a policeman's notebook?

However, ultimately this is just another subject that we could endlessly debate, because I can't see any way of us linking the two graffiti.

The chalkings are reproduced in post 91 of the "Assessing the Case Against" thread here. I don't have Beadle's 2009 book handy, but if I remember correctly, I think he argues for Ellen being the author. This seems highly unlikely to me. She was barely literate and it's hard to believe she would scrawl her message to the world in two different hands. I think they had to have been written either by schoolboys or by Bury himself, who his sister-in-law testified could write in "several hands."

[Iain Wilson]

I think it's highly likely that the chalk messages in Princes Street were written by Bury. I find the messages in Princes Street intriguing. In fact I'm surprised they are rarely mentioned on these forums. Linking the GSG and the chalked messages in Princes Street is an interesting line of thinking.

It is an interesting line of thinking; I was also fascinated by the PSG and its provinance. Is there a sample of it anywhere or is it another scribble in a policeman's notebook?

However, ultimately this is just another subject that we could endlessly debate, because I can't see any way of us linking the two graffiti.

[John Wheat]

I think it's highly likely that the chalk messages in Princes Street were written by Bury. I find the messages in Princes Street intriguing. In fact I'm surprised they are rarely mentioned on these forums. Linking the GSG and the chalked messages in Princes Street is an interesting line of thinking.

[Wyatt Earp]

It seems to me there are four possible connection points between Bury and the Goulston Street graffito. Points 1 through 3 require an assumption that Bury chalked the messages at Princes Street (while this cannot be proven, it does seem to be a reasonable possibility).

1. chalked message

2. youthful hand

3. flamboyantly misspelled word

4. psychopathic "blaming of others"

With respect to point 4, one of the plausible explanations of the GSG that has been advanced by others is that the Ripper blamed "the Jews" for interrupting his murder of Stride before he had finished with her. It was therefore "their fault" that he had to murder Eddowes so that he could perform some mutilations and have his fulfilling evening. This type of blaming of others for one's own misdeeds is one of the chief characteristics of the psychopath as defined by modern psychology and psychiatry.

As Macpherson noted, we have specific evidence that Bury possessed this trait. In the letter that Bury gave to Reverend Gough in which he confessed to the murder of his wife, he wrote, "I admit that it was by my own hands that my wife Ellen Bury met with her death...But I solemnly state before God as a dying man that I had no intention of doing so before the deed was done. I have communicated to you my motive for the crime but as it concerns so closely the character of my wife, I do not wish you to make it known publicly" (The Trial of Jack the Ripper, p. 102). In other words, it was "her fault" that he had to kill her.

There is of course no proof that Bury wrote the GSG, but all it takes is two reasonable speculations (that Bury wrote the Princes Street messages and that the psychopathic explanation of the GSG is correct) to construct the list of four points above, which together would form a very powerful link between Bury and the GSG.