"...but because you are going to hang me you will get nothing out of me..."

[GregBaron]

Trash Suspect #1

Exactly, John



That sums it up then doesn't it.

Not to single you out, DRoy. People do this all day here. They don't have a suspect, not a one. But they can't stay away from the suspect threads.

Roy

That's a good one Roy. I got a laugh out of that. Have no suspect but come to the suspects thread just to destroy other people's ideas. That's a fun game...

Back to Bury, what do y'all think of the minor mutilations he inflicted on his poor wife. An attempt at copycat? Couldn't help himself? Started but lost his nerve? None of the above...?



Greg

[DRoy]

Roy, John & Boggles,

As I said, a childish debate.

I didn't realize you had to have a suspect to go through the suspect threads. To me it would make more sense that since I don't have a suspect it would be a great place to find one.

Ask some of the most senior and true Ripperologists who their suspect is and most don't have one. They let evidence choose and since there is no evidence to convict anyone, one hasn't been chosen.

You'll see from my first post in this Bury thread that I was asking questions about Bury. The purpose? To perhaps be convinced by those of you posting that there is more to Bury than what i've seen so far because i've never been convinced he was 'Jack'. Have you convinced me? Nope, not even a little bit.

Sorry, it's not that I got called out and chickened out, its that I called you all out with my first post and you've all failed. I said Bury should be a suspect before and thats where it still stands. Great suspect? Not in my opinion and maybe that's because you haven't provided any additional proof.

The Bury Posse or whatever you want to call your little gang should check out other threads because this one is blinding you.

Roy,

I know you post in other threads so most of this is not geared towards you but my comments about the suspect threads do. You should know better Roy.

Cheers
DRoy

[Roy Corduroy]

Exactly, John

I don't have a suspect nor do I think I need one.

That sums it up then doesn't it.

Not to single you out, DRoy. People do this all day here. They don't have a suspect, not a one. But they can't stay away from the suspect threads.

Roy

[John Wheat]

Boggles has called DRoy's bluff and he comes up with nothing.

[DRoy]

Boggles,

I don't have a suspect nor do I think I need one. I'm not going to get into a childish debate over "my suspect is better than your suspect".

Bury killed his wife in a similar way "Jack" did. That's really all there is besides circumstantial 'evidence' (I use that word lightly). I could be mistaken but I don't believe that even one policeman ever believed Bury was the WM.

Please also remember, killing in a similar style of 'Jack' became a fad all over the world including the East End of London. There is still much debate over who 'Jack' killed including Liz who was one of the C5. Someone killed MacKenzie in the east end in a similar way to 'Jack' yet few believe her to be a victim of the Ripper.

Cheers
DRoy

[GregBaron]

Bury the hatchet...

But as for Jacob levy? He seems to fit some kind of profile but he has no real connection to the case. I am afraid that from Anderson and via Fido people have been on a 125 year wild goose chase looking for a crazy jew.
The suspect page is littered with them already.

You're probably right about the crazy Jew Abby. I should probably leave the poor b*stard alone. I should at least start a thread about why I like Levy and not careen this thread off the rails.

I do like your Blotchy theory because I think he could also be Lawende's sailor man. He could also be the red-face Jew hating Irishman that some suspect. His face could be scorched from foundry work or sailing the high seas.

I don't think the debate going on here is really a debate. We all know there's little evidence against anyone. Both DRoy and Boggles are right. Some like Bury because he ticks a lot of the boxes of what we expect, nothing more.

There's also an ongoing debate of the competency of the police. We have cops out here that support the unsupportable and pseudo-historians that think all the cops are buffoons. As usual, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

Bury's a person of interest, now let's dig up more about him...


Greg

[Boggles]

Droy, you had already said you dont think Bury is the best suspect, fine but please can you put money where mouth is and tell me who you believe is a stronger suspect? All i know is you believe it was someone the police were investigating at tge time, i have researched this case in some detail and would be fascinated in anyone you believe to ne a stronger candidate. lets do a like for like comparison based on what we now know about serial killers, and perhaps even put it to the vote , its good sport if nothing else?

[Cogidubnus]

Great suspect

I have to say that judging by the evidence presented by Beadle and Macpherson, and the documentation shown by Will and others, I honestly believe Bury to be at least as good a suspect as any other I've seen promoted...far better than most in fact, because Bury has at least been proved capable of killing...

Ask me directly though if I think he was Jack, and I'd have to say I don't think so...but that's because I don't think Jack's any of the suspects named so far...

Fair enough?

All the best

Dave

[DRoy]

Abby,

Bury was a police suspect at the time, at the very least a person of interest. Once they got word of his arrest and conviction, Scotland yard sent detectives to Dundee to check him out.

Of course they checked him out. However, after checking him out, they never thought about it again. In other words, there was nothing there. No evidence. Nothing.

He is a known murderer of woman with knife

Is he the only one?

his arrival and departure from London coincide with the start and end of the murders

I wonder how many people can say the same thing?

he lived in the area

So did hundreds of thousands others

was known to frequent prostitutes and be abusive to women

So does that mean he killed them?

and fit most of the witness descriptions

Depending on which witnesses you believe actually saw 'Jack'

He is a good suspect. That's my opinion. I just don't believe he's one of the best suspects.

Cheers
DRoy

[Abby Normal]

Boggles,

Haha! Okay you win!

Rational debate? Okay, please provide anything at all that links him to a murder site or a victim. If you can't do that then what else could you have that makes him so special? Was he a police suspect? No. But apparently you are smarter than them.

Ever consider that maybe it's you that lacks much knowledge about what is and what isn't evidence? Saying the newspapers said so isn't going to cut it (pun intended).

DRoy

Bury was a police suspect at the time, at the very least a person of interest. Once they got word of his arrest and conviction, Scotland yard sent detectives to Dundee to check him out. He is a known murderer of woman with knife, his arrival and departure from London coincide with the start and end of the murders, he lived in the area, was known to frequent prostitutes and be abusive to women, and fit most of the witness descriptions. Bury is a very viable suspect out of the ones we have.

[DRoy]

Boggles,

Haha! Okay you win!

Rational debate? Okay, please provide anything at all that links him to a murder site or a victim. If you can't do that then what else could you have that makes him so special? Was he a police suspect? No. But apparently you are smarter than them.

Ever consider that maybe it's you that lacks much knowledge about what is and what isn't evidence? Saying the newspapers said so isn't going to cut it (pun intended).

DRoy

[Boggles]

Boggles,



How about someone...anyone the police were actually investigating? Is there anyone besides newspaper reporters that ever considered Bury? One officer at least? Nope, but his hangman did. Oh the hangman...then it must be so!

DRoy

i was hoping to have a rational debate. there is far more that implicates bury besides berry. if you are ruling a viable suspect on the basis the police did not investigate him at the time, this an unsolved case, then you lack much knowledge of serial killer investigation

[DRoy]

Abby,

I would include Blotchy, hutch, bury, chapman, james kelly and Koz in that order.

How does Blotchy fit in? Even if guilty of killing MJK, there is nothing to say he was involved in any of the others. Hutch? Same thing. At least we know Chapman was living and working in the area. Kelly? Nothing. Koz? We don't even know if we have the right Koz.

For the record, I don't have a suspect. However, I'm leaning towards 'Jack' not being responsible for all of the famous 5.

Cheers
DRoy

[DRoy]

Greg,

I agree with you Boggles, I don't see more-likely candidates although there aren't really any good ones. Lack of evidence makes for poor candidates..

Lack of evidence is surely a problem for Bury supporters too isn't it? What evidence is there? If there was some then the case would be solved.

DRoy

[DRoy]

Boggles,

really? would you be kind enough to name one of them??

How about someone...anyone the police were actually investigating? Is there anyone besides newspaper reporters that ever considered Bury? One officer at least? Nope, but his hangman did. Oh the hangman...then it must be so!

DRoy