WH Bury Problems

[Rainbow]

He played a card game with friends on top of the box that hid his wife's rotting corpse.

Your source that he played card on the box while she was dead and stuffed in it.

Or dead bodies and cut open abdomens have no smell ?!


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[Rainbow]

Bury nearly got away with murdering his wife are you even aware of that?

Explain this if YOU are aware of it !



Rainbow°

[Harry D]

Bury has the FORM ?? the man who was shaking for days not knowing what to do after he strangled his wife while being drunk has the FORM of the Ripper who killed two women at the same night while all kind of people and policemen were patrolling the streets ??

Serial killers aren't robots. And you have no idea what sort of mental state the killer would've been in. You are presuming that the killer would've acted in the same fashion after murdering his wife than he would after killing random prostitutes.

Where did you get that Bury was "shaking for days"? He played a card game with friends on top of the box that hid his wife's rotting corpse.

the man who couldn't find any solution except to go to the police and then confiss to his guilt has the FORM of the Ripper who mutilated Kelly and turn her into pieces ??

One common trait among many serial killers is that they eventually self-destruct, consciously or unconsciously. How do you know the Ripper wasn't one such killer? If Bury were the Ripper, the death of his wife could've been the final straw. Serial killer Bobby Joe Long was caught when he let his final victim, 17 year-old Lisa McVey, go free. Now if they hadn't been able to tie him to the other murders, you'd be telling me that Bobby Joe Long's behaviour wasn't characteristic of a serial killer who had already murdered 10 women.

Your horse Harry is a loser ... it hasn't that FORM!

It has previous for murder and post-mortem abdominal mutilation. That's a damn sight more than can be said for any other named suspect. Someone like Lechmere would be a 100/1 shot.

[John Wheat]

Then why did he kill her ??

Just to put his beloved knife inside her and see what will happen ??

Is the man who mutilated Kelly to that degree, will be satisfied by inserting his sweet knife a little in his wife abdomen ??

He didn't want to be hung as the Ripper, that means he was the Ripper ?????

Do you realy think before you give your out of the world suggestions ??



Rainbow°

Do I think says the biggest buffoon on the site.

[John Wheat]

You are not sticking to the topic by dragging in irrelevant stuff. Do the math, see where there are more similarities, and admit this.

If Bury preferred being hanged as a simple domestic killer and not as the Ripper, then maybe he should not have cut open the abdomen of his wife. And maybe he should have washed away that graffiti.

It is an apalling argument you make, it has been squashed and I see no reason to continue discussing with you. If logically and factually demolishing your ideas does not do the trick, nothing will.

What a joke. You really are full of it. Bury nearly got away with murdering his wife are you even aware of that? You haven't quashed anything logically or factually. Logically and factually Bury is easily the best Ripper suspect.

[Fisherman]

How am I not sticking to the topic? Because I have said your idea that the Torso Killer removed limbs for the purpose of disposal is pure speculation? I never suggested Bury had any respect t for his wife he clearly didn't. You have clearly not understood my post. I don't really see what the problem was. But here goes I suggest Bury didn't mutilate his wife to greater degree as he would be hung as The Ripper. Hopefully you and Rainbow can understand that.

You are not sticking to the topic by dragging in irrelevant stuff. Do the math, see where there are more similarities, and admit this.

If Bury preferred being hanged as a simple domestic killer and not as the Ripper, then maybe he should not have cut open the abdomen of his wife. And maybe he should have washed away that graffiti.

It is an apalling argument you make, it has been squashed and I see no reason to continue discussing with you. If logically and factually demolishing your ideas does not do the trick, nothing will.

[Rainbow]

There's a word used in the horse racing game when trying to pick a winner. What's it? Oh yeah... FORM. Bury had it, Lechmere did not.

Bury has the FORM ?? the man who was shaking for days not knowing what to do after he strangled his wife while being drunk has the FORM of the Ripper who killed two women at the same night while all kind of people and policemen were patrolling the streets ??

the man who couldn't find any solution except to go to the police and then confiss to his guilt has the FORM of the Ripper who mutilated Kelly and turn her into pieces ??

Your horse Harry is a loser ... it hasn't that FORM!



Rainbow°

[Rainbow]

But here goes I suggest Bury didn't mutilate his wife to greater degree as he would be hung as The Ripper. Hopefully you and Rainbow can understand that.

Then why did he kill her ??

Just to put his beloved knife inside her and see what will happen ??

Is the man who mutilated Kelly to that degree, will be satisfied by inserting his sweet knife a little in his wife abdomen ??

He didn't want to be hung as the Ripper, that means he was the Ripper ?????

Do you realy think before you give your out of the world suggestions ??



Rainbow°

[John Wheat]

hehehe

Then why the hell he killed her?!

He must have loved her, hasn't he?!

hahaha


Rainbow°

Read my response to Fisherman's post. Genius.

[John Wheat]

Stick with the topic please!

The likeness between Burys murder of his wife and thr Ripper deeds, damagewise, is that Bury cut the abdomen open - as did the Ripper. There dissimilarity between the cutting size is very apparent, though.

This is the only likeness there is.

Conversely, the Torso killer ALSO cut the abdomens open on his victims - but he cut the same way the Ripper did, from sternum to pubes.

So on this point only, there is a greater similarity between the Ripper and the Torso man, than between the Ripper and Bury.

Add to this the OTHER similarities between the Ripper and the Torso man, where Bury is left behind:

The taking of organs of a sexual character
The taking of organs of a non-sexual character
The severing of the neck
The taking of rings
The removal of colon parts
The removal of the abdominal walls in large panes
The taking of the rings

and you will find that HERE are the similarities that you would need for Bury to be a real contender. And I ask you again, when you see this, answering to your demands to a much higher degree than Bury does, then why would you not admit that the two were probably the same man? How on earth could you accept Bury as a likeness on diddley squat when you donīt accept the shared identity between two men who do the exact same things to their victims, things that are rarer than henīs teeth?

As for your suggestion that Bury did not dismember Ellen out of respect for his wife, I can only echo Rainbow: He strangled her to death, he cut her open like a pig, he broke her limbs and stuffed her into a box.

Who could ask more from a loving husband? The beating to end all beatings, eh!

How am I not sticking to the topic? Because I have said your idea that the Torso Killer removed limbs for the purpose of disposal is pure speculation? I never suggested Bury had any respect t for his wife he clearly didn't. You have clearly not understood my post. I don't really see what the problem was. But here goes I suggest Bury didn't mutilate his wife to greater degree as he would be hung as The Ripper. Hopefully you and Rainbow can understand that.

[Fisherman]

Well, I can't think of one, can you?



Yes, because implicit within every post against Bury is the suggestion that he is an inferior suspect to Lechmere. A truly risible notion for anyone with their head on straight.



And yet apparently you're confident enough of Lechmere's guilt to declare him the Ripper, despite the embarrassing paucity of evidence to back it up. My conclusion is a far more logical and well-founded one than yours, which requires a massive leap of faith to transform an innocent bystander into a murderous fiend.



Let's apply your own logic against you: You don't know if Bury had the opportunity or not. And since he lived in the East End at the time, there's nothing to rule him out either, right?



Firstly, that guy was caught, so we do know that he was capable of these crimes. Lechmere might have been, but what evidence do we have? Which brings us back to your argument from ignorance: Well, "no one suspected this guy, so Lechmere could've been the killer!" Shoulda, woulda, coulda.

I take it you're not a betting man, Fish? There's a word used in the horse racing game when trying to pick a winner. What's it? Oh yeah... FORM. Bury had it, Lechmere did not.

A load of tosh. Faults, misrepresentations, uncalled for swaggering and sheer stupidity.

"Since we donīt know where Bury was, he could have had opportunity!"

Dear me.

[Fisherman]

[QUOTE=Pierre;400734]

Evidence for the torso victims?

Evidence for the torso victims?

Evidence for the torso victims?

I donīt debate with you, remember, Pierre?

If I did, I would say that the uterus was cut out from Jackson, that the heart and lungs were "removed" as per the medicos from her upper torso and that the arm of Jackson found in the Thames on the 8:th of June 1888 bore marks of a ring that had been taken away.

Then again, I donīt debate with you.

[Harry D]

No, itīs secondary police work, and only comes into play of there is no suspect identified who was present and any of the murder sites.

Well, I can't think of one, can you?

Amusing? How so? Oh, I forgot - you think it is a shooutout, some sort of competition.

Yes, because implicit within every post against Bury is the suggestion that he is an inferior suspect to Lechmere. A truly risible notion for anyone with their head on straight.

Iīm afraid that is no crime at all. And Iīm afraid you are talking out of your behind, since you simply have no idea what crimes Lechmere did or did not perpetrate.

And yet apparently you're confident enough of Lechmere's guilt to declare him the Ripper, despite the embarrassing paucity of evidence to back it up. My conclusion is a far more logical and well-founded one than yours, which requires a massive leap of faith to transform an innocent bystander into a murderous fiend.

It is a point that must always be kept in mind, so you wuill hear more about it. It is the exact thing I pointed out to you a few lines ago: Opportunity. The one parameter without which you can NEVER convict.

Let's apply your own logic against you: You don't know if Bury had the opportunity or not. And since he lived in the East End at the time, there's nothing to rule him out either, right?

There was no evidence that Joachim Kroll was violent, no evidence that he was a murderer, no evidence that his contemporaries suspected him.

Firstly, that guy was caught, so we do know that he was capable of these crimes. Lechmere might have been, but what evidence do we have? Which brings us back to your argument from ignorance: Well, "no one suspected this guy, so Lechmere could've been the killer!" Shoulda, woulda, coulda.

I take it you're not a betting man, Fish? There's a word used in the horse racing game when trying to pick a winner. What's it? Oh yeah... FORM. Bury had it, Lechmere did not.

[Pierre]

[QUOTE=Fisherman;400730]

Add to this the OTHER similarities between the Ripper and the Torso man, where Bury is left behind:

The taking of organs of a sexual character

Evidence for the torso victims?

The taking of organs of a non-sexual character

Evidence for the torso victims?

The taking of rings

Evidence for the torso victims?

[Fisherman]

I suggest Bury didn't mutilate Ellen as she was his wife. Had he gone to town on her he would have been hung as the Ripper. Your limb cutting being idea for ease of transport is pure supposition. It is one possiblity. We simply don't know if for example the Torso Killer got a thrill from dismemberment.

Stick with the topic please!

The likeness between Burys murder of his wife and thr Ripper deeds, damagewise, is that Bury cut the abdomen open - as did the Ripper. There dissimilarity between the cutting size is very apparent, though.

This is the only likeness there is.

Conversely, the Torso killer ALSO cut the abdomens open on his victims - but he cut the same way the Ripper did, from sternum to pubes.

So on this point only, there is a greater similarity between the Ripper and the Torso man, than between the Ripper and Bury.

Add to this the OTHER similarities between the Ripper and the Torso man, where Bury is left behind:

The taking of organs of a sexual character
The taking of organs of a non-sexual character
The severing of the neck
The taking of rings
The removal of colon parts
The removal of the abdominal walls in large panes
The taking of the rings

and you will find that HERE are the similarities that you would need for Bury to be a real contender. And I ask you again, when you see this, answering to your demands to a much higher degree than Bury does, then why would you not admit that the two were probably the same man? How on earth could you accept Bury as a likeness on diddley squat when you donīt accept the shared identity between two men who do the exact same things to their victims, things that are rarer than henīs teeth?

As for your suggestion that Bury did not dismember Ellen out of respect for his wife, I can only echo Rainbow: He strangled her to death, he cut her open like a pig, he broke her limbs and stuffed her into a box.

Who could ask more from a loving husband? The beating to end all beatings, eh!