Miller's court privy's.

[GUT]

Was this the thread, Gut?

I think so yeah.

[SirJohnFalstaff]

Many thanks everyone for the answers. It clarifies a lot of things.

[Michael W Richards]

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These are the maps I have

That question mark across from Marys windows(other image) is the dustbin. Both the pump and dustbin occupied that alcove.

[Joshua Rogan]

Goad didn't start mapping the UK until 1885, I think. So I assume the date in the link address is just wrong, an error when it was originally posted.

Yes, I posted completely the wrong link at first, see my correction post #11

The Goad map that covers Dorset Street was produced in 1890. It shows what must be the toilets at the North end of the court, but nothing at all outside no. 13, so this points to the toilets shown in the Kitty Ronan map (1909) being built between these two dates. So mid '90s seems reasonable.
But the important thing is, they probably weren't there at the time of the MJK murder.

[Rosella]

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http://forum.casebook.org/archive/index.php/t-5497.html

Was this the thread, Gut?

[Rosella]

According to the late lamented Chris Scott, who provided the link below, on Feb 9th 1889 a Henry Hemslow, aged 40 of 11 Millers Court, a married porter, was admitted to the Whitechapel Infirmary. Cause: Debility. The poor fellow was released from there on 18th Feb.

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=64

Whether Henry and wife were residing at No. 11 the previous November however, is anybody's guess. The Court had a high turnover of clientele. The Hemslows were gone by the 1891 Census as a 19 year old rope makers assistant called Mary Griffin was living there alone then.

Sorry, but I've never read any info on who was at no. 9 Millers Court at the time of the Ripper murders.

^ The Hemslow I quoted in the above was in fact Henry Hanslope, a strange character,-- see the link!

[Shaggyrand]

Are you sure, I was going off the date at the end of the address 1878.html?

Goad didn't start mapping the UK until 1885, I think. So I assume the date in the link address is just wrong, an error when it was originally posted.

[Rosella]

??

http://forum.casebook.org/archive/index.php/t-5497.html

[GUT]

I'm still trying to search on both forums for info on when those pesky privies were relocated but it awoke memories of longtime lurking by me before I joined. There was a long chat on one thread about the pump and toilets being moved, I know that!

There has also been talk of the renumbering of rooms in the cCourt that apparently happened at about the same time in which 20 became no. 19 and vice versa!

http://forum.casebook.org/archive/index.php/t-5254.html

Agree a loooooong thread about them being moved.

[Rosella]

I'm still trying to search on both forums for info on when those pesky privies were relocated but it awoke memories of longtime lurking by me before I joined. There was a long chat on one thread about the pump and toilets being moved, I know that!

There has also been talk of the renumbering of rooms in the cCourt that apparently happened at about the same time in which 20 became no. 19 and vice versa!

http://forum.casebook.org/archive/index.php/t-5254.html

[Joshua Rogan]

Oops, posted the wrong link! That one is for the essay that mentions the bins.

This one should be the goad map;

http://britishlibrary.georeferencer....vf7H/visualize

[GUT]

That one is from 1890, actually Gut.

Are you sure, I was going off the date at the end of the address 1878.html?

[Joshua Rogan]

But the goad map, is I think, 10 years pre the murder.

That one is from 1890, actually Gut.

[GUT]

I too believe the toilets were at the far end in 1888. The goad insurance map has them there.

http://www.casebook.org/victorian_lo...court1878.html

And I think opposite Mary's room against no.11 were rubbish bins, which may have been later turned into the toilets shown on one of your plans.

Not sure if the houses without names were unoccupied or we just don't know the name of whoever did live in them.

But the goad map, is I think, 10 years pre the murder.

[Rosella]

According to the late lamented Chris Scott, who provided the link below, on Feb 9th 1889 a Henry Hemslow, aged 40 of 11 Millers Court, a married porter, was admitted to the Whitechapel Infirmary. Cause: Debility. The poor fellow was released from there on 18th Feb.

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=64

Whether Henry and wife were residing at No. 11 the previous November however, is anybody's guess. The Court had a high turnover of clientele. The Hemslows were gone by the 1891 Census as a 19 year old rope makers assistant called Mary Griffin was living there alone then.

Sorry, but I've never read any info on who was at no. 9 Millers Court at the time of the Ripper murders.