The broken window

[DJA]

We don't know which of the two lower panes was broken

Both damaged panes were on the right side.

The lower one was missing about one third,from the top right down.

[c.d.]

Just as an offhand thought I would say that not all broken windows are created equal. There might be some that you would be willing to put your hand through and others where it would seem not to be such a good idea.

c.d.

[DJA]

Agreed...McCarthys lack of help is a concern...he looked through the window himself!!
Even if he didn't have a spare key, which I don't believe,he knew the lay out, the door and the lock

Just for jolly,imagine the scenario where McCarthy has been forewarned not to interfere with anything that happens.

[packers stem]

As I said PS, I believe a photo exists that shows a few breaks in the 2 sets of windows, and only 1 pane broken at the bottom right.. closest to the corner of the room. That is the only one that one might use to access the latch...and for that reason, I suspect the keyless couple created that particular break intentionally.

Hi Michael
Have a good look at the photo.
It shows a shadow at the doorway almost vertical... Impossible for November in the UK
I suspect the photo was taken some length of time after the event,judging by the shadow I'd say midday in June.it certainly wasn't taken on a dreary,drizzly day in November

[RockySullivan]

Just for jolly,imagine the scenario where McCarthy has been forewarned not to interfere with anything that happens.

I think the victims all living close by indicates the murderer was also connected to the area and very well may have been known to mcccarthy. So McCarthy being warned is a possibility in my opinion

[Rosella]

McCarthy seems to have been very fond of money. Surely, Rocky, if he knew Jack's identity all those reward notices would be flashing before his eyes. All told, the rewards money must have totalled a tidy sum by the time Mary was killed, more than enough for a greedy landlord operating in a slum.

[DJA]

I think the victims all living close by indicates the murderer was also connected to the area and very well may have been known to mcccarthy. So McCarthy being warned is a possibility in my opinion

Reckon our Jack was well known to his victims and some police.

Likewise,McCarthy to the police.

Have a good look at the CV5's addresses prior to their deaths.

Nichols moves next door to Kate.

Kate goes hopping.

Chapman,several doors from Mary Kelly dies.

Kate returns looking for a non existent reward.

Liz moves from Dorset Street to Flower and Dean,several doors from Kate.

Liz leaves for the night about the same time Kate is arrested.....

Kate is found with a card for a guy named Carter.

Chap with the same name is a Royal Engineer.
Think tunneling and broad shoulders.

Warren,an ex Royal Engineer,shows interest in Packer's description of events.
Packer changes his times and is discredited.

[Rosella]

Kate Eddowes reward for naming Jack wouldn't have been non-existent. The philanthropist Samuel Montagu offered a reward of £100 after Annie Chapman was killed. He was MP for Tower Hamlets. A row occurred with the Home Office over the offering of this and rewards in general, but Montagu said he was honour bound to stand by it. £100 doesn't seem much today but it would have been a fortune to Kate.

[RockySullivan]

Reckon our Jack was well known to his victims and some police.

Likewise,McCarthy to the police.

Have a good look at the CV5's addresses prior to their deaths.

Nichols moves next door to Kate.

Kate goes hopping.

Chapman,several doors from Mary Kelly dies.

Kate returns looking for a non existent reward.

Liz moves from Dorset Street to Flower and Dean,several doors from Kate.

Liz leaves for the night about the same time Kate is arrested.....

Kate is found with a card for a guy named Carter.

Chap with the same name is a Royal Engineer.
Think tunneling and broad shoulders.

Warren,an ex Royal Engineer,shows interest in Packer's description of events.
Packer changes his times and is discredited.

I'm not familiar with Carter...tunneling...like the tunnel at the whitechapel building?

[DJA]

I'm not familiar with Carter...tunneling...like the tunnel at the whitechapel building?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Engineers

Some Ripperologists reckon he was a grocer or sumfin'.

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon,

I don't believe Cox followed Mary and Blotchy down the alleyway did she? In which case..she wouldn't have seen how they entered the room? I could be mistaken?


Phil

Hi Phil.

Cox claimed in court:

"She went up the Court a few steps in front of me."

and then..

"I saw them go into her room. I said “Good night Mary”, and the man banged the door."

[RockySullivan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Engineers

Some Ripperologists reckon he was a grocer or sumfin'.

The royal engineers were also responsible for reporting on the railways correct? What about the bridges and sewer tunnels along the thames?
Why would eddowes have the card of Royal Engineer..I'm finding conflicting reports...did 305 bethnal green actually exist?

[Wickerman]

It was a spring latch Jon, one that was engaged when "off". The latch needed to be set to be in effect.

Indeed it was Michael, and described as such in the press.

I have this theory about the broken window...because I believe in actuality there were three holes in the 2 sets of windows, one one the panes to the far left, one high on the right side, and one down by the lower right hand corner..the one that it is alleged Barnett used when they left the latch engaged and went out.

Heres my theory...I think they intentionally broke the one that Barnett used because they did indeed lose their key and didnt want to leave the room unlocked when they went out. It seems to convenient for it to have been the one that was accidentally broken during a row. I believe the broken window that occurred in a row was one of the 2 higher breaks.

Cheers

I agree the broken window is conveniently placed to make reaching the lock easier. The cause, a drunken row, is very likely an excuse.
However, there always has been a disagreement as to whether two or three panes were broken when viewing the photo.

[DJA]

Kate Eddowes reward for naming Jack wouldn't have been non-existent. The philanthropist Samuel Montagu offered a reward of £100 after Annie Chapman was killed. He was MP for Tower Hamlets. A row occurred with the Home Office over the offering of this and rewards in general, but Montagu said he was honour bound to stand by it. £100 doesn't seem much today but it would have been a fortune to Kate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Montagu,_1st_Baron_Swaythling

My understanding is that the offer was unacceptable.

Henry Matthews seemed intent on not catching our Jack.

[DJA]

Why would eddowes have the card of Royal Engineer..I'm finding conflicting reports...did 305 bethnal green actually exist?

I'm implying that he was BS man.

1881 census found him at The Carpenters Hall.
Think his parents were the caretakers.

Meh! Maybe she was really out cheese shopping.....