The broken window

[Simon Wood]

Hi John Guy,

Yes, I've read that.

Regards,

Simon

[Jon Guy]

Hi John Guy,

I understand he was a "General Practitioner - Surgeon."

Regards,

Simon

Gynaecologist and paediatrician, Simon

[Simon Wood]

Hi John Guy,

I understand he was a "General Practitioner - Surgeon."

Regards,

Simon

[DJA]

It was a joke, like in Australia redheads used to be nicknamed 'Bluey'.

"Ranga" is popular these days.

[John G]

It was a joke, like in Australia redheads used to be nicknamed 'Bluey'. Short people (Liz was only 5ft 2ins) were often called 'Long', especially if the last name fitted in with it, such as Stride (long stride, as in walk.)

Is this necessarily the case, though? People were much shorter in the late 19th century than today: average male height was 5ft 6in (William Bury was only 5ft 3in), so women would have been significantly shorter (Annie Chapman was 4ft 11in, I believe, as was Queen Victoria). Liz Stride, therefore, could have been above average height for a woman, particularly as texts have been inconsistent in stating her height: this site, suggests 5ft 5in, for example, which presumably would have been very tall for a woman.

[Jon Guy]

No need for an axe. No need for the door to be destroyed either.

They forced the door open with a pick axe at the point of the lock.
Not much damage, and all that was required to secure the door again was a padlock.

[Jon Guy]

So why was a doctor from the NSPCC summoned to Millers Court?

Hi Simon

Was it because he was also a gynaecologist ?

[Rosella]

Hello all,

Please excuse the diversion but could somebody please point me at the origin of the nickname Long Liz, from 1888?
Thank you. ☺


Phil

It was a joke, like in Australia redheads used to be nicknamed 'Bluey'. Short people (Liz was only 5ft 2ins) were often called 'Long', especially if the last name fitted in with it, such as Stride (long stride, as in walk.)

[Wickerman]

There seems to have been quite some effort from the police and dubious private investigators to discredit Packer.

Possibly from Warren or even higher up.

There were certainly dubious investigators but their role in this mystery is not easily described.
And, for what reason the police should be involved with them only boggles the mind.

[packers stem]

There seems to have been quite some effort from the police and dubious private investigators to discredit Packer.

Possibly from Warren or even higher up.

Yes, I agree DJA

[DJA]

So it was all a great big cover up by police ?

There seems to have been quite some effort from the police and dubious private investigators to discredit Packer.

Possibly from Warren or even higher up.

[DJA]

Elizabeth Tanner at the Inquest.

[packers stem]

Hello all,

Please excuse the diversion but could somebody please point me at the origin of the nickname Long Liz, from 1888?
Thank you. ☺


Phil

Hi Phil
Wasn't it down to her height?

[Phil Carter]

Hello all,

Please excuse the diversion but could somebody please point me at the origin of the nickname Long Liz, from 1888?
Thank you. ☺


Phil

[packers stem]

Hi packers stem,

Just so I understand.

You're suggesting that Elizabeth Stride had been mistaken for Elizabeth Long who had seen the Ripper with Annie Chapman?

I agree with you about the similarity of names—Liz Long and Long Liz—but were there any physical similarities between the two women to account for such a terrible mistake?

Regards,

Simon

Hi Simon
Yes,it's what I suspect but I don't know anything about the physical appearance of Elizabeth Long.
Although that may not be necessary. If someone went into a pub and asked around with a few farthings for Liz Long and someone said "that's Liz over there ".... It's a possibility