MJK millers court photo

[Debra A]

That mortuary "photo" of Eddowes looks like a sketch to me.

The version in Rob and Neil's dissertation doesn't though, it looks like it is from the exact same angle as the picture in Lacassagne's book to me:

http://casebook.org/dissertations/rip-wallwriting.html?printer=true

[Phil Carter]

That mortuary "photo" of Eddowes looks like a sketch to me.

Agreed.




Phil

[Shaggyrand]

I did some research.
The Lamoureux book has digitalized copies in various librairies in France.
It's a thesis.
Maybe your biggest chance is to look into libraries of universities that have a forensic pathology department.

There could be a problem with images in scanned old books. Most libraries scan them at too low dpi, many use 300 when 600 would be a better minimum and if it was scanned awhile ago it could be as low as 75, for images to be of any use if you want to examine minute and background details, which given the trend of his posts I think he does. For text this isn't much of a problem but it makes images unuseable for study.

[SirJohnFalstaff]

Hello packers stem, GUT,

Just as an added note..if you think the 1899 book is rare... try this.



Robert McLaughlin discovered a vey rare and obscure book written by a French medical student named André Lamoureux in 1894 "De l'Éventration au point-de-vue medico-legal"
Inside the book was a single photograph of Mary Jane Kelly. This book therefore preceeds Lacassagne's Vacher l'Eventreur by some five years or so and can be considered the earliest publication containing a printed photo of Mary Jane Kelly.


Robert McLaughlins book, in itself, is pretty hard to get hold of too.

The First Jack the Ripper Victim Photographs

Robert McLaughlin, Zwerghaus Books, October 2003.
ISBN: 0-9733794-0-5





Phil

I did some research.
The Lamoureux book has digitalized copies in various librairies in France.
It's a thesis.
Maybe your biggest chance is to look into libraries of universities that have a forensic pathology department.

[Jason]

Can you imagine what she would have looked like if they had managed to take a photo in an upright position ?

[Harry D]

That mortuary "photo" of Eddowes looks like a sketch to me.

[GUT]

Christ , I haven't seen that Eddowes photo for ages......that is a pretty horrific set of injuries and amazingly clear photo

Made a mess of her didn't he.

Not as good a job as on poor Kelly though.

[Jason]

Christ , I haven't seen that Eddowes photo for ages......that is a pretty horrific set of injuries and amazingly clear photo

[Debra A]

Hi Debra
Thanks for the link earlier but the definition isn't there.Could have been through the original 19th century press run or through digitisation. Could do with seeing it first hand to confirm but Farson or Rumbelow books could confirm anyway ;-)

No worries PS.

[packers stem]

The digitised Lacassagne no good then?

Hi Debra
Thanks for the link earlier but the definition isn't there.Could have been through the original 19th century press run or through digitisation. Could do with seeing it first hand to confirm but Farson or Rumbelow books could confirm anyway ;-)

[Debra A]

The digitised Lacassagne no good then?

[Phil Carter]

Thanks Phil
Just what I was looking for.If I find anything by lacassagne in a charity shop we can sell to the highest bidder and give the proceeds to said charity shop

Hello packers stem,

Done. ☺ Equally if an 1894 book by Andre Lamoureux turns up. Lol 😉



Phil

[packers stem]

Hi GUT,

Yes.

I was thinking in terms of relatively available books from the more modern era when I replied.. as it seemed that packers stem wanted to get said book.

I doubt if Lacassagne is available at the local Charity shop. lol :-)



from the excellent Stewart Evans dissertation on here..

Vacher l'Eventreur et les Crimes Sadiques, Lacassagne, Lyons/Paris 1899, presumably an original print additional to the above, current location not known.
Police Journal, 1969 - CLP/MJK1.
Jack the Ripper, Farson, 1972 - CLP/MJK1.
The Complete Jack the Ripper, Rumbelow, 1975 - CLP/MJK1.
Jack the Ripper, The Final Solution, Knight, 1976 [close-up] - CLP/MJK1.
The Complete Jack the Ripper, Rumbelow, 1987 - CLP/MJK1.
Jack the Ripper: 100 Years of Mystery, Underwood, 1987 [close-up] - CLP/MJK1.
Jack the Ripper the Uncensored Facts, Begg, 1988 [close-up] - CLP/MJK1.
New Murderers' Who's Who, Gaute/Odell, 1989 [close-up] - CLP/MJK1.
Jack the Ripper the Mystery Solved, Harrison, 1991 [close-up] - CLP/MJK1.
The Ripper and the Royals, Fairclough, 1991 - CLP/MJK1.
The Jack the Ripper A - Z, Begg/Fido/Skinner, 1991 [close-up] - CLP/MJK1.
Diary of Jack the Ripper, Harrison, 1993 [in album with crack] - NSY/MJK2.
The Black Museum, Waddell, Waddell, 1993 [reversed!] - NSY/MJK2.
The Complete History of Jack the Ripper, Sugden, 1994 [close-up] - CLP/MJK1.
The Lodger, Evans/Gainey, 1995 [no damage] - NSY/MJK2.
Jack the Ripper the Simple Truth, Paley, 1995 [with crack] - NSY/MJK2.
Jack the Ripper A - Z, Begg/Fido/Skinner, 1996 p/b [close-up with crack] - NSY/MJK2.
The Secret of Prisoner 1167, Tully, 1997 [close-up] - CLP/MJK1.
Jack the Ripper Whitechapel Murders, O'Donnell, 1997 [close-up] - CLP/MJK1.
Le Livre Rouge de Jack l'Eventreur, Bourgoin, 1998 - CLP/MJK1.


Phil

Thanks Phil
Just what I was looking for.If I find anything by lacassagne in a charity shop we can sell to the highest bidder and give the proceeds to said charity shop

[GUT]

Hello GUT,

Try getting hold of an original André Lamoureux 1894 "De l'Éventration au point-de-vue medico-legal"!!!

Sorry to hear of the loss of your friend and the misfortune over his collection.



Phil

Probably the first person I knew who had a library.

It was his wife's prerogative to do with t as she wished (in my opinion) though am sad it wasn't passed on to either myself as he wished or his family, I know his son in law would have treasured it.

There wasn't much ripper related in it, mainly history, photography and theology.

[Phil Carter]

That's where I frst heard of it, McLaughlin. a good friend had that book and his library was promised to me on his death, by the time he died he had remarried and naturally everything went to his wife, she unfortunately disposed of his library and I know not where the book ended up.

Hello GUT,

Try getting hold of an original André Lamoureux 1894 "De l'Éventration au point-de-vue medico-legal"!!!

Sorry to hear of the loss of your friend and the misfortune over his collection.



Phil