How "safe" were the respective murder sites?

[c.d.]

Hello Lynn,

I don't think that we have to limit ourselves to killers and/or profiling. A simple study of human nature should lead us to conclude that people are sometimes inconsistent in their level of confidence, their willingness to take risks and their level of paranoia at any given time. You can even throw in choice of luncheon sandwich if you want to.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

assumption

Hello CD. Perhaps that assumption stems ultimately from "profiles" that attempt to predict the behaviour of past killers based upon present day ones?

If you are suggesting that, perhaps, such assumptions--and, indeed, profiling in general--may not be warranted by the evidence and may lead one erroneously to posit a "series" when in fact none exists, then I think we agree.

Cheers.
LC

[MrBarnett]

Why are we assuming that his confidence level or his willingness to take risks was always the same for every murder? Paranoia over being caught and hanged can ebb and flow as well.

c.d.

Hello c.d.,

I'm sure the urge to kill/mutilate ebbed and flowed, and at the flow he was at his most reckless. Which might explain the early start on the night of the double event.

MrB

[c.d.]

Why are we assuming that his confidence level or his willingness to take risks was always the same for every murder? Paranoia over being caught and hanged can ebb and flow as well.

c.d.

[MrBarnett]

Hello Gareth. Good question for a thread.

Doubtless, Hanbury was the riskiest of all.

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

Nail on the head.

MrB

[lynn cates]

Hanbury

Hello Gareth. Good question for a thread.

Doubtless, Hanbury was the riskiest of all.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

wasting time

Hello John. But if the BS story be true, and, as you seem to suggest, he killed Liz, what was happening between 12.45 and 1.00?

Cheers.
LC

[John G]

Taken over from the "FBI Profile" thread. A discussion on the comparative "safety" of various murder sites might be interesting, so here's one for a kick-off.
Not so much of a risk-taker, John. Mitre Square was sparsely populated compared to Berner Street, comprising a number of non-residential premises. Besides, it was much quieter than Dutfield's Yard, and the murder was committed in the darkest part of the Square, nowhere near a busy clubhouse. Furthermore, there were no pipe-smokers, broad-shouldered men, incontinent Poles, doorstepping neighbours, Gladstone-bag clutching salesmen, or donkey-trotting Dim$hitz's going to and fro. Just two policemen on different beats.

If "Jack" was that much of a risk-taker, and Dutfield's Yard was such a "good" place to commit murder, how come he bottled out of the Stride murder so quickly?

Hello Sam,

Firstly, i would argue that you have to take into account the nature of the threat, i.e PC Harvey would have represented a greater threat than, say, Fanny Mortimer! And, of course, if Schwartz evidence is reliable, then he completely ignored the "threat" presented by both Schwartz and Pipeman.

As regards why he bottled out, well, this might be because of the unfortunate interruption of Diemshitz. Or,as I argued earlier, it may simply have been too dark for him to have eviscerated Stride, demonstrating surgical/anatomical skill. or even too dark to see his knife! Or perhaps after the initial adrenaline rush he became concerned that Schwartz/ Pipeman might alert the local beat officer. After all, this was the first and only time in JTR's reign of terror that anyone had actually witnessed a direct assault.

Best wishes,

John

[Sam Flynn]

Taken over from the "FBI Profile" thread. A discussion on the comparative "safety" of various murder sites might be interesting, so here's one for a kick-off.

it seems to me that JTR would have had as little as 8 minutes to assault Eddowes, extensively mutilate her throat/neck, eviscerate her (demonstrating anatomical knowledge), remove organs, avoid getting too much blood on himself, extensively disfigure her face, cut away part of her apron, and make good his escape! I think it's reasonable to assume that the killer was something of a risk taker

Not so much of a risk-taker, John. Mitre Square was sparsely populated compared to Berner Street, comprising a number of non-residential premises. Besides, it was much quieter than Dutfield's Yard, and the murder was committed in the darkest part of the Square, nowhere near a busy clubhouse. Furthermore, there were no pipe-smokers, broad-shouldered men, incontinent Poles, doorstepping neighbours, Gladstone-bag clutching salesmen, or donkey-trotting Dim$hitz's going to and fro. Just two policemen on different beats.

If "Jack" was that much of a risk-taker, and Dutfield's Yard was such a "good" place to commit murder, how come he bottled out of the Stride murder so quickly?