Foreigners

[Fleetwood Mac]

Dunno, but one thing I can tell you, Errata, is that the bonny lass in the red is not English, and that's the whole point of the thread. Not: "here are all my mates, which one of them hails from Outer Mongolia".

But, Ill have a guess. She's not British, and definitely not Spanish or French.

Outside chance of being Italian, but probably not.

She looks to me to be from Southern Europe on the Eastern side. I'll go Bulgaria...

Where's me prize? And forget the clock, I want cold hard money.

[Fleetwood Mac]

Okay. You guys say you can tell? Okay then. Tell.









So these are all friends of mine. Some of these pictures were taken awhile ago, some more recently. Of everybody in these pictures, coincidentally only three of us are multi ethnic (yes I'm in some of these). Everyone else was either an immigrant or a first generation American. Their blood lines are about as pure as they get.

Name these ethnicities.

Dunno, but one thing I can tell you, Errata, is that the bonny lass in the red is not English, and that's the whole point of the thread. Not: "here are all my mates, which one of them hails from Outer Mongolia".

[Jon Guy]

Hi Errata

Easy ..the woman in red is German, possibly with distant Greek relatives.

Of the couple, the black dress is American / Irish, County Kildare.
The white dress Croatian, one of the coastal fishing villages?

The group photo, L to R
German Bavarian
French Canadian
Southern Greek
Irish
Finnish
Canadian
Brazilian

[Errata]

Okay. You guys say you can tell? Okay then. Tell.









So these are all friends of mine. Some of these pictures were taken awhile ago, some more recently. Of everybody in these pictures, coincidentally only three of us are multi ethnic (yes I'm in some of these). Everyone else was either an immigrant or a first generation American. Their blood lines are about as pure as they get.

Name these ethnicities.

[Observer]

Hello GUT, well of all the ex-colonies, and I hope you people know your place, still, after all this time; and this includes all of you, even the people who were never colonies, such as the French; who need to know their place, the Aussies are most like us in outlook.

But, I can only make this point. I'm sat here in what could only possibly be considered to be an English style of dress. The only other people who could possibly dress like this are the Welsh and definitely not our Jock friends from north of the border.

I'm sat in a pair of cords, a set of black brogue shoes, a jumper made in the US (Gant), and a Barbour coat hanging on the door. Now, imagine that look: would an Australian or an American really dress like that? It's a monumental no from all four corners of the earth. The English have a long history of taking other people's ideas and melding them into our own view of life. We do this very well, whether it's music or clothes or anything.

Now, I dress like an Englishman, and I walk like an Englishman - we think we own the earth. Moreover, you could pin me down to the North of England by style of dress because a Londoner would wear a suit jacket with a pair of brogues - not a Barbour coat.

And, the really observant could easily pin me down to the North East of England, because other parts of the North tend not to be so formal - it's a product of our mining culture.

Also, you could easily pin me down as a Working Class North Easterner who has done alright for himself to be able to afford expensive clothes, but doesn't have the hair that the middle class tend to have. Middle Class people in England do not, as a rule, crop their hair, it's beneath them; I've always had my hair cropped.

And then, for the really observant. You could pin me down to County Durham by my build. I'm 5'9 with broad shoulders - being average height but broad suggests I could be from coal mining stock, which I am, and those who know England's history know that people came all over to work in the mines in County Durham: Jocks, Taffs, Irish etc, but just by the look around my eyes you'd know there's no Irish or Welsh blood in me.

If you put up a Scotsman and an Englishman in photos, it would be obvious to the observant which one is which just by the look around the eyes.

Anyone seriously suggesting that you can't tell an Englishman from other nationalities must be on some serious mind bending drugs, and if those people making the suggestions are American then God only knows what they're thinking of because Americans are some of the most easily recognisable people in the world.

Don't bite fellow posters, observe the admirable way in which GUT dealt with such drivel.

Good on yer Sport

[Paddy]

I have seen old photos of eastern european people with very smart coats trimmed with Astrakhan, so the coat might have swayed Hutchinson?
Pat...............................

[GUT]

A lot depends on

1. How long the foreigner has been "in-country" [I think Pat's dad might stand out for lack of tan]

2. How much they have integrated into the local society, dress, language mannerisms etc, you see some immigrants that you'd never pick others stand out 60 years after arrival.

[Paddy]

My dad was a cockney from London and would have not stood out one bit in Oz with his mannerisms, his sayings and personality....Bless him !

Pat.................................

[GUT]

The English have a long history of taking other people's ideas and melding them into our own view of life. We do this very well, whether it's music or clothes or anything.

And do you think us poor dumb colonists don't?

[GUT]

G'Day Mac

Us colonists down under know our place for sure [tugging his forelock, for whatever that means].

And please don't tell anybody but I largely agree.

[Fleetwood Mac]

G'Day Fleetwood Mac

Aussies stand out!!!!!

Not by being drunken yobs in shorts, slouch hats and thongs I should hope.

Hello GUT, well of all the ex-colonies, and I hope you people know your place, still, after all this time; and this includes all of you, even the people who were never colonies, such as the French; who need to know their place, the Aussies are most like us in outlook.

But, I can only make this point. I'm sat here in what could only possibly be considered to be an English style of dress. The only other people who could possibly dress like this are the Welsh and definitely not our Jock friends from north of the border.

I'm sat in a pair of cords, a set of black brogue shoes, a jumper made in the US (Gant), and a Barbour coat hanging on the door. Now, imagine that look: would an Australian or an American really dress like that? It's a monumental no from all four corners of the earth. The English have a long history of taking other people's ideas and melding them into our own view of life. We do this very well, whether it's music or clothes or anything.

Now, I dress like an Englishman, and I walk like an Englishman - we think we own the earth. Moreover, you could pin me down to the North of England by style of dress because a Londoner would wear a suit jacket with a pair of brogues - not a Barbour coat.

And, the really observant could easily pin me down to the North East of England, because other parts of the North tend not to be so formal - it's a product of our mining culture.

Also, you could easily pin me down as a Working Class North Easterner who has done alright for himself to be able to afford expensive clothes, but doesn't have the hair that the middle class tend to have. Middle Class people in England do not, as a rule, crop their hair, it's beneath them; I've always had my hair cropped.

And then, for the really observant. You could pin me down to County Durham by my build. I'm 5'9 with broad shoulders - being average height but broad suggests I could be from coal mining stock, which I am, and those who know England's history know that people came all over to work in the mines in County Durham: Jocks, Taffs, Irish etc, but just by the look around my eyes you'd know there's no Irish or Welsh blood in me.

If you put up a Scotsman and an Englishman in photos, it would be obvious to the observant which one is which just by the look around the eyes.

Anyone seriously suggesting that you can't tell an Englishman from other nationalities must be on some serious mind bending drugs, and if those people making the suggestions are American then God only knows what they're thinking of because Americans are some of the most easily recognisable people in the world.

[Ben]

Understood, Bridewell, and thanks for clarifying.

All the best,
Ben

[Bridewell]

Although, personally, I doubt very much that the Hanbury Street man in question - sleeping rough and waiting for the market - dressed anything like a "toff".

Hi Ben,

Apologies for being less than clear. I was commenting on the remarks attributed to Jack London. I agree with your assessment of the Hanbury Street stranger being unlikely to have been dressed like a toff.

[Bridewell]

I agree that he may have been inaccurate so do you think that the likelihood is that he just used a catch all description out of convenience, lazyness or even prejudice?

You refer to Hutchinson. There are two possibilities with regard to this witness,irrespective of his motives:-
(1) He was lying.
(2) he was telling the truth.
If he was telling the truth he was a remarkably perceptive witness. (They do exist). His description of the man he claims to have seen is either invented or extremely detailed, depending on which of the possible views of his testimony you take.

Hutchinson's description is either mendacious or well-observed. I don't think it can be described as 'lazy'. If he was truthful, I would take it that the man was, or gave the appearance of being, specifically Jewish, rather than generally foreign.

[Ben]

Although, personally, I doubt very much that the Hanbury Street man in question - sleeping rough and waiting for the market - dressed anything like a "toff".