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  • caz
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    Eddowes's killer could have popped home with her organs before emerging to place her apron piece and write the message, in which case he could have picked up the chalk while stashing the body parts and murder weapon.

    My current theory is that he considered the Jews in Berner Street deserved the blame for making him kill a second victim over in Mitre Square. This would make even more sense if he wrote the Dear Boss letter and was prevented from ripping the first victim and living up to his chosen trade name, which would have reached Central News by then, but was not yet in the public domain. Assuming he would have wanted that letter published, the mutilation of Eddowes, combined with the apron and the GSG, swiftly followed up with the double event postcard, would have made that far more likely than if he'd given up and gone home after a less than ripping murder, possibly thwarted by Schwartz.

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  • DJA
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    Nah!

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  • NotBlamedForNothing
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    That the Mitre Square murderer bothered to cut the apron, and carry on himself a handy piece of chalk, suggests that the chalked message may have been premeditated. So if the message was intended to convey that the need to kill another woman was to be blamed on the Jews getting in the way of the first attempt, then the non-mutilation of the first victim may have been intentional. However, an interrupted murder is how he wanted it to be perceived.

    Why? Perhaps because that would suggest a murderer who just happened to be hanging around or passing by Berner street, but did not live anywhere near the murder scene. In other words, he did live near the murder scene - quite possibly on Berner street.

    So after the first murder, with little or no blood on himself, he goes home, possibly changes his coat, and waits for the police whistles. When he hears them, he tells the household that he is going outside to investigate. He returns an hour later.

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  • JeffHamm
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    Originally posted by Ginger View Post
    IF the murderer wrote the graffito, then he had chalk. It's possible, although IMHO quite unlikely, that he found a piece of chalk in the street and decided to write something. Much more likely, IMHO, is that he had chalk with him. So, if the graffito was the Ripper's work, did the murderer routinely carry chalk, possibly as a tool of his job, or was this night somehow special?
    Hmmm, perhaps it's just waiting for the coffee to kick in, but carrying chalk as tool for his job has often led to people suggesting some association with teaching/lecturing blackboards, but it just struck me that perhaps the most common user in the area would have been in market sales, for advertising daily specials and such on "sandwich boards" and writing the items for sale on a board in a shop - so it might have been used by fruit sellers, butchers, etc. I think chalk was used in tailoring too, for marking cloth? It seems to me that chalk was probably pretty common, though it points to someone a above the most down and out.

    - Jeff

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  • Losmandris
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    Originally posted by erobitha View Post

    Was the apron also for a specific market trader or the general public too?

    My guess both were for the police.
    I am not convince the two are linked. There is every chance that our man was illiterate and either dumped the apron without being aware of the graffiti or deliberately placed it in front of the it, not knowing what it actually said, so it would be found by the police.

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  • erobitha
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    Originally posted by NotBlamedForNothing View Post

    The simplest explanation of the writing, considering both the misspelling and the double negative, is that it were written by an undereducated local man. However, disturbance is another question. Can we really believe he would have thought he could get away with evisceration in that laneway? If no, then the motivation for the first murder could have been very different to that of the second.
    Or it was an attempt to give that impression. Writing in a way that you want the words to be pronounced, as a means of misdirection - but still making a point (albeit cryptically) is not a new phenomenon in this case.

    We actually see the exact same behaviour in two of the ripper letters. The ‘From Hell’ and ‘Openshaw’ letters. Re-read the graffiti and those letters out loud in your best Dick van Dyke cockney accent.

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  • erobitha
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    Originally posted by Losmandris View Post

    I wonder if the location and size meant that it was for a specific market trader, rather than the general public?
    Was the apron also for a specific market trader or the general public too?

    My guess both were for the police.

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  • Losmandris
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    Originally posted by spyglass View Post

    To me, the size of the lettering is irrelevant.
    Whoever wrote it , meant it to be seen and read whether it was the Murderer or just someone with a grudge against Jewish market stalkers.

    Also the actual wall it was written on was quite narrow, therefore It would seem that to make it larger you would have to split the lines into either one or two words per line.
    I wonder if the location and size meant that it was for a specific market trader, rather than the general public?

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  • spyglass
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    Originally posted by Losmandris View Post

    I certainly agree the most likely explanation is that this is the work of an uneducated person. If it was written by the murderer and he wanted to be found why not make it a lot bigger. I always had the impression for a long time the script was far larger than it actually was.
    To me, the size of the lettering is irrelevant.
    Whoever wrote it , meant it to be seen and read whether it was the Murderer or just someone with a grudge against Jewish market stalkers.

    Also the actual wall it was written on was quite narrow, therefore It would seem that to make it larger you would have to split the lines into either one or two words per line.

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  • Losmandris
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    Originally posted by NotBlamedForNothing View Post

    The simplest explanation of the writing, considering both the misspelling and the double negative, is that it were written by an undereducated local man. However, disturbance is another question. Can we really believe he would have thought he could get away with evisceration in that laneway? If no, then the motivation for the first murder could have been very different to that of the second.
    I certainly agree the most likely explanation is that this is the work of an uneducated person. If it was written by the murderer and he wanted to be found why not make it a lot bigger. I always had the impression for a long time the script was far larger than it actually was.

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  • NotBlamedForNothing
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    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

    eddowes bloody apron piece found underneath it and the fact that the ripper had been disturbed by a bunch of jews that night while trying to do his thing.and it was written in chalk.
    The simplest explanation of the writing, considering both the misspelling and the double negative, is that it were written by an undereducated local man. However, disturbance is another question. Can we really believe he would have thought he could get away with evisceration in that laneway? If no, then the motivation for the first murder could have been very different to that of the second.

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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by Dickere View Post
    Is there any evidence whatsoever that suggests or connects the writing on the wall to the ripper ? I find it hard to believe that someone so elusive would also wander around with a pot of paint and a brush and spend the time to write the message.
    eddowes bloody apron piece found underneath it and the fact that the ripper had been disturbed by a bunch of jews that night while trying to do his thing.and it was written in chalk.

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  • DJA
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    Michaelmas term - Wikipedia

    Perhaps a teaching pathologist who had been preparing green boards.

    First murder was close to the London Hospital.

    The second a bit further away.

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  • Ginger
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    IF the murderer wrote the graffito, then he had chalk. It's possible, although IMHO quite unlikely, that he found a piece of chalk in the street and decided to write something. Much more likely, IMHO, is that he had chalk with him. So, if the graffito was the Ripper's work, did the murderer routinely carry chalk, possibly as a tool of his job, or was this night somehow special?

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  • erobitha
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    Originally posted by Dickere View Post
    Is there any evidence whatsoever that suggests or connects the writing on the wall to the ripper ? I find it hard to believe that someone so elusive would also wander around with a pot of paint and a brush and spend the time to write the message.
    The bloodied apron from the 4th victim could be deemed a clue.

    As others have said, the message was written in chalk.

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