The apron was dropped...

[IchabodCrane]

Doubt anyone really reckons Hutchinson was living there 40 days before the other "Mary Ann Kelly"s demise.
That's if he lived there at all.

Thanks just the same Buddy.

Since we don't have any information on his whereabouts on that weekend, we cannot rule it out either. For all we know he would have been a regular visitor to the area on weekends.

Neither Joseph Barnett nor George Hutchinson were French though... that is what puzzles me most about this case. They are such perfect suspects otherwise

[DJA]

hutch

Doubt anyone really reckons Hutchinson was living there 40 days before the other "Mary Ann Kelly"s demise.
That's if he lived there at all.

Thanks just the same Buddy.

[Abby Normal]

Your point being?

hutch

[caz]

Hello Caz,

I think you hit the nail on the head. But wouldn't that apply regardless of whether the message was pro Jewish or anti-Semitic? Hence the problem.

c.d.

Fair point, c.d.

Of course, my opinion is that the message was written by someone whose brain was wired differently from most people's, so happily I don't need to try and read anything rational into it.

Love,

Caz
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[DJA]

Id have to look that up, but I dont need to. The date is irrelevant to the argument.

The date is relevant.

Morris's letters are well documented.

Doubt your spin has any truth in it.

[caz]

Ive been ignoring what can be obviously addressed, Im not selling anything therefore I dont need to pander. A comment like Spooner being "muddle headed" is an example. There is no evidence that is the case at all. As for Gillen, I believe he used the quote himself when Gillen is mentioned...you want me to do what with that question? Hosch(esch)berg, Spooner, Kozebrodksi and a member named Gillen makes 4 doesnt it?

As for arguing why a Socialist Club, which neighbors felt had "low people" hanging round and with a reputation among local Police as an "anarchist" club...a fact which is substantiated in a letter William Morris sends to Woolf Wess declining an invitation to speak there due to their reputation...why a discovery of murder on their property with only the men still in attendance on the property, would result in the clubs closure.....im sorry but the bleeding obvious is the bleeding obvious.

The same men attacked Police with clubs in 6 months.

Serial killer Levi Bellfield worked as a security guard and nightclub bouncer. I doubt that any establishment where he worked would have been at risk of closure and job losses if the people in charge there had suspected him of murder and rightly turned him in, saving more young women from the same fate. They'd have deserved medals, not condemnation. Imagine if it was found out later that they had conspired to protect the bastard, as one of their own, and deflect the blame elsewhere. Now that would have had bleeding obvious repercussions for all concerned.

Love,

Caz
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[Michael W Richards]

Id have to look that up, but I dont need to. The date is irrelevant to the argument.

[DJA]

The letter was addressed to Wess, it was presented by his decendant, and contained exactly what I said it did. Your Trumpesque rewriting of fact isnt appreciated, but nor is it noteworthy.

What was the date of the letter?

[Michael W Richards]

Actually the letter dated August 12 only mentioned Lyons. It was probably written in 1890,1889 or earlier.

The "specific" terms and language you stated are the product of a fertile mind.

In fact Morris supported 40 Berner Street right up to one of his last personal engagements.

The letter was addressed to Wess, it was presented by his decendant, and contained exactly what I said it did. Your Trumpesque rewriting of fact isnt appreciated, but nor is it noteworthy.

[DJA]

Your point being?

[IchabodCrane]

Given it was left on the most direct route between Mitre Square and Millers Court,it may have taken on even more obvious meaning had Barnett already moved out.

It was also conveniently en route to the Victoria Home corner Wentworth / Commercial.

[DJA]

The GSG is not coincidental. Jack never left a clue of a bloodied apron or such like before, why wait until the 4th victim? He left the clue because he knew it would be picked up and connected to the writing on the wall. It could nbot be any more deliberate. He wanted that message to be read.

c.d.

Given it was left on the most direct route between Mitre Square and Millers Court,it may have taken on even more obvious meaning had Barnett already moved out.

[DJA]

I can only assume you are unaware of the letter that William Wess received from Mr Morris, (revealed by the Wess descendants on a British Antique Roadshow a few years ago), which used the specific terms and language I stated.

Actually the letter dated August 12 only mentioned Lyons. It was probably written in 1890,1889 or earlier.

The "specific" terms and language you stated are the product of a fertile mind.

In fact Morris supported 40 Berner Street right up to one of his last personal engagements.

[IchabodCrane]

But if he wanted the message to be read would he not be upset that it was erased before it got out to the general public? If that were the case, why not write a message in blood on the walls of Mary's apartment? If he wrote the GSG, I find it very strange that he did not write anything at Millers Court. (yes, yes I know FM...but I think that is simply pareidolia.)

c.d.

Ok, but who knows whether he wasn't upset the next morning that his graffito got erased? Jack would have fully expected to read about it in the morning paper headlines.
He was probably fuming and cursing (in French... )

Now for the next event at Millers court, the craze about Jewish lunatics had already begun to fade into the background a bit in the papers, and all kinds of other directions were pursued. Also, Millers court was nothing short of a massacre, and I dont believe that afterwards the killer was in any frame of mind to leave clues.

[c.d.]

The GSG is not coincidental. Jack never left a clue of a bloodied apron or such like before, why wait until the 4th victim? He left the clue because he knew it would be picked up and connected to the writing on the wall. It could nbot be any more deliberate. He wanted that message to be read.

But if he wanted the message to be read would he not be upset that it was erased before it got out to the general public? If that were the case, why not write a message in blood on the walls of Mary's apartment? If he wrote the GSG, I find it very strange that he did not write anything at Millers Court. (yes, yes I know FM...but I think that is simply pareidolia.)

c.d.