Was Mitre Square being watched that Double Event night?

[Michael W Richards]

PC Pearce gave evidence that he was in his home.

Halse, Marriott and Outram verify each other, as do others.

Monty

If I believe everything that everyone said in these cases Monty I might as well give it up. People said things that have been proven to be lies, fabrications and intentionally misleading. Why would those people admit to being part of a plan that left a woman dead?

[Michael W Richards]

Who knew?

Monty

Hutt for one.

[Michael W Richards]

Not really. Not with the thimble.

Monty

If thats a hint you believe she had a stitching engagement at 1:30am in a almost totally dark square Monty, Id feel inclined to disagree. She went the opposite way to a waiting bed and someone who claimed they lived as "man and wife", sleeping together almost every night. Seems like that Friday and Saturday were different though, as perhaps was her relationship with John.

Perhaps you just meant she carried her own mini shot glass.

[Michael W Richards]

Hi Michael,

How could Kate have had a pre-planned meeting in Mitre Square? Did she know she would be arrested at 8.30 pm and released from Bishopsgate police station at 1.00 am, and somehow rescheduled accordingly?

Also, do we know for a fact that the woman seen by Lawende and the woman arrested for drunkenness were one and the same person?

Ripperology insists they were the same person, but such insistence steadily carries less and less weight.

Regards,

Simon

Hi Simon. Its my suspicion that the people she met with in the afternoon plied her with alchohol to see how much she knew about the person she allegedly intended to name as the killer to the police. Maybe she set that up the previous evening. They may have set up midnight as a meeting time, (a fitting time for betrayals) but when they discovered she was in Bishopsgate since 8-8:30, they simply waited for her release which was inevitable that night. To your second point, nope,.. we dont. If it wasnt, then Lawende and Sailor Man also leave the stage as relevant players.

In no other murder investigation I recall reading about are ALL of the closest people to the crime current or ex police...7 of them.

[Monty]

Morris expressed rage at the previous murders and said he wished one would happen where he could get involved, no-one knows whether Pearces family was there that night, there is no statement from his wife, and his window looked onto the very murder spot, Watkins and Harvey were already tasked that night with patrolling the square and there is no believeable story that has Marriot, Outram and Halse looking in alleys nearby. Why, no murder have ever been in the City. Did they think one might happen?

PC Pearce gave evidence that he was in his home.

Halse, Marriott and Outram verify each other, as do others.

Monty

[Monty]

They knew she would be released that night, and they were the first ones to know when she was.

Who knew?

Monty

[Michael W Richards]

How many hours had she been in custody? She hadn’t planned to be arrested so can we really believe that someone kicked their heels in Mitre Square for hours on the off chance that Eddowes would turn up at some point?

They knew she would be released that night, and they were the first ones to know when she was.

[Michael W Richards]

Watkins and Harvey were pounding their (existing) beats in and out of the vicinity, Morris was busy sweeping up, and wasn't Pearce and his family asleep? Doesn't seem much like a stake-out to me. If they'd wanted to keep an eye on the square, I have expected them to have posted a more permanent, and alert, presence.

Morris expressed rage at the previous murders and said he wished one would happen where he could get involved, no-one knows whether Pearces family was there that night, there is no statement from his wife, and his window looked onto the very murder spot, Watkins and Harvey were already tasked that night with patrolling the square and there is no believeable story that has Marriot, Outram and Halse looking in alleys nearby. Why, no murder have ever been in the City. Did they think one might happen?

[Monty]

And if her going to the square had nothing at all to do with the Ripper, then it's a complete mystery.

Not really. Not with the thimble.

Monty

[Busy Beaver]

Hi BB,

So Eddowes set out from Bishopsgate police station for Mitre Square at 1.00 am, thinking that the Ripper might be [still might be] there?

Is that what you're saying?

Regards,

Simon

No Simon, she went on the off chance- a spur of the moment thing. Surly she would know what the Ripper was capable of- if she suspected he was known to her. After all he had killed 2-3 times already. And if her going to the square had nothing at all to do with the Ripper, then it's a complete mystery.

[Trevor Marriott]

Insp. McWilliam was not convinced the woman Lawende saw was Eddowes. And, Lawende was not permitted to identify the body, only the clothes, which were "similar".
I don't think Lawende saw the killer either.

Well no one said they saw another couple in the vicinity, and no one came forward after the event to say they were in the area and could have been the persons seen by Lawende, and there is no evidence that the streets were thronging with people, so I would say it is not wrong to speculate that these were Eddowes and the killer.

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Herlock Sholmes]

So she just happened to wander through Mitre Square on her way to meet this somebody who would lend her fourpence [don't forget, her and Kelly's credit was good at the lodging house], and instead met the Ripper? Also don't forget she was allegedly seen in Aldgate at 1.30 am.

Just a suggestion Simon.

[Wickerman]

Also, do we know for a fact that the woman seen by Lawende and the woman arrested for drunkenness were one and the same person?

Ripperology insists they were the same person, but such insistence steadily carries less and less weight.

Regards,

Simon

Insp. McWilliam was not convinced the woman Lawende saw was Eddowes. And, Lawende was not permitted to identify the body, only the clothes, which were "similar".
I don't think Lawende saw the killer either.

[Scott Nelson]

Was Mitre Square being watched that Double Event night?

No, except for the brief visits by Watkins and Harvey.

[Simon Wood]

So she just happened to wander through Mitre Square on her way to meet this somebody who would lend her fourpence [don't forget, her and Kelly's credit was good at the lodging house], and instead met the Ripper? Also don't forget she was allegedly seen in Aldgate at 1.30 am.