Did Jack leave the Scene by carriage?

[Adam Went]

I seem to recall that the idea of escape via carriage was mooted and discounted at the time of the murders. For the purposes of escaping, especially if shelter needed to be taken in a hurry, Jack would have been much better off on foot, especially if he was in decent physical shape which it would seem he was.

Cheers,
Adam.

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi all. I'm sure the police spoke to all these people. The whispering voices she heard shortly after Nichols' dying moans would surely have been Cross and Paul.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Lechmere]

I think he was either an abseiling trainspotter or a perhaps an early form of base jumper as the railway tracks were and are a good drop below
I believe the train was scheduled for 3.30 which is probably a little early for the murder.

For me the interesting thing about this press report is that it shows that journalists were in many ways better than the police in turning up witnesses.
The police failed to even knock up all the residents at Bucks Row to see of anyone had heard anything.

[Robert]

My theory is that Jack was a trainspotter and Nichols made him miss his favourite engine. Hence the savagery of the attack.

[ChrisGeorge]

I just read the witness reports concerning the Polly Nichols murder,
and read the Harriet Lilly testimony, where she states

I slept in front of the house, and could hear everything that occured in the street. On that Thursday night I was somehow very restless. Well, I heard something I mentioned to my husband in the morning. It was a painful moan - two or three faint gasps - and then it passed away. It was quite dark at the time, but a luggage went by as I heard the sounds. There was, too, a sound as of whispers underneath the window. I distincly heard voices, but cannot say what was said - it was too faint. I then woke my husband, and said to him, "I don't know what possesses me, but I cannot sleep to-night."

Even though it was dark, a carriage that would be driving down bucksrow would most likely see a body lying in the street.wouldnt it? (ok, the driver could have thought she was drunk or uncounciouss, since the sight of people in the gutter wasnt uncommon in whitechapel.) But I am just wondering here. Even though this idea is very unlikely, I just thought I put it out here to hear some thoughts:
What if Jack left the scene by carriage/luggage?
(Of course he did not call a carriage at the scene, but he could have walked away from the scene, and get on a carriage from there. )
Happy to hear your thoughts...

Raoul is correct. In other press versions of this witness statement by Mrs. Harriet Lilley, the sentence is rendered as "It was quite dark at the time, but a luggage train went by as I heard the sounds." See here in The People of 9 September 1888.

Best regards

Chris

[Raoul's Obsession]

Yeah, of course she must have heard both.
im just wondering why the carriage didnt discover the body. i mean, polly nichols must have been attacked very recently, when she was moaning like that. So theoretically a carriage could have been carrying Jack, who walked a couple of meters up to take a carriage.

I think the witness is refering to a train on the nearby tracks rather than a carriage in Bucks row. I agree that a carriage would be highly unlikely.

[lynn cates]

whom?

Hello Luke. Do we know that it was Polly whom was moaning?

Cheers.
LC

[Luke111]

Yeah, of course she must have heard both.
im just wondering why the carriage didnt discover the body. i mean, polly nichols must have been attacked very recently, when she was moaning like that. So theoretically a carriage could have been carrying Jack, who walked a couple of meters up to take a carriage.

[lynn cates]

hearing

Hello Luke. I'm wondering whether someone who could hear a moan from the street would not also hear a carriage as it passed?

Cheers.
LC

[Luke111]

I just read the witness reports concerning the Polly Nichols murder,
and read the Harriet Lilly testimony, where she states

I slept in front of the house, and could hear everything that occured in the street. On that Thursday night I was somehow very restless. Well, I heard something I mentioned to my husband in the morning. It was a painful moan - two or three faint gasps - and then it passed away. It was quite dark at the time, but a luggage went by as I heard the sounds. There was, too, a sound as of whispers underneath the window. I distincly heard voices, but cannot say what was said - it was too faint. I then woke my husband, and said to him, "I don't know what possesses me, but I cannot sleep to-night."

Even though it was dark, a carriage that would be driving down bucksrow would most likely see a body lying in the street.wouldnt it? (ok, the driver could have thought she was drunk or uncounciouss, since the sight of people in the gutter wasnt uncommon in whitechapel.) But I am just wondering here. Even though this idea is very unlikely, I just thought I put it out here to hear some thoughts:
What if Jack left the scene by carriage/luggage?
(Of course he did not call a carriage at the scene, but he could have walked away from the scene, and get on a carriage from there. )
Happy to hear your thoughts...