Jack the ripper guided tours: money on the back of victims or is it for charities?

[PepeLep]

I call it making profit on the back of dead victims that !!!

I call that a load of rubbish.

East end Ripper tours are historical tours like any other historical tours. It's no more making a profit off of dead victims than the tours of battlefields are making a profit off of the dead soldiers.

I took a Ripper walking tour in the early '90s. It was an incredible experience. I wish I could remember the name of my guide because he's probably a member here, but I have to say he was worth every bit of the six pounds I paid for the tour.

That tour is probably the #1 reason I'm a member of this board today.

[George Hutchinson]

Hi BW. He was an idiot, there's no doubt. I'm just saying I think it a little unnecessary to be making light of someone who posted here having died. Even David Radka didn't get that. The fact no one else has said anything doesn't change what I feel. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it and I'm sure you won't either but it was just my personal morals speaking. No ill will.

PHILIP

[BLUE WIZZARD]

Nov9

What the?

Sorry if this was offensive to you Philip, but I thought that this site was a place to express yourself. I have read a lot of insults and sarcasm and speaking ill of the dead many times here. or is it safe to speak ill of the dead so long as it happened a hundred or so years after they were murdered?

Why are you offended? if you knew the idiot then my apologies and if you did not know him, so what? people die all the time, my days are also numbered so what? say what you want about me when I start feeding the worms, no one will care.

Did you know that you were the only one who spoke up in favor of the idiot?

Seems like no one else cares.

I will bet you that this board will light up with sarcasm about NOV9 or myself because no one really cares.

Now will I be told to leave this site for saying what is on my mind?

BW

[George Hutchinson]

Hi BW

If you are actually saying that NOV9 has died, I think your post extremely inappropriate, regardless of what sort of person he might have been. Ripperology has lost and continues to lose people all the time, some wonderful people - and some less wonderful people. I wouldn't wish such comments on anyone - and I mean anyone - who uses this site, regardless of my opinion of them as an individual.

PHILIP

[BLUE WIZZARD]

Nov9

Hey for what it's worth, I found out that NOV9 is feeding the worms, seems he bought the farm while he was on some trip over seas. Too bad, I was hoping that I could lure him back on to this site, so I could have some fun at his expense. He was such a jerk. I hope he did not let the door hit him on the way out.

I have read his posts and he really showed his colors when he lost it and he pretended to know what he was talking about. Dan Norder had it over him.

I can not believe I wasted so much time reading his posts.

BW

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

Whatever you do, don't exhume MJK [even if you knew where she is buried].

You couldn't stand the surprise.

Regards,

Simon

[BLUE WIZZARD]

Dna

Hi,

I think by exhuming every suspect that was linked to the Ripper case would be a legal hassle as well as an expensive one, but for the soul purpose of obtaining the DNA from them.

This could be a start, for whatever else they find to match it to.

I'm just thinking here, the cost could be paid from donations, from the serious crime investigators, from what I understand, there is no status of limitation for murder.

And cases that lay idle could be reactivated if new evidence is found.

This sounds crazy huh?

BW

[DVV]

Merci beaucoup Cel,
my best too.

[Celesta]

From French TV, this week: stronger zan Herfort, a man just published a book about the ripper. He claims to be regularly in touch with Mary's ghost for about 20 years.
Whenever the ghost wants to talk with him, there is a kind of special noise (?), and a smell of violet. Mary has decided to tell the truth: it was not her who has been butchered in Miller's court, but Jack was iactually her lover.
Thank God, the guy wasn't invited (yet) in a literary program, he was playing at the "Wheel of Fortune" (covering his family with shame for a handful of dollars).
May How Brown forgive us.

Hello David,

You're serious about the study of these cases and have reasonable and intelligent input. You don't need to be forgiven for anything.

My best to you, as always,

Cel

[Khanada]

When I was a kid, there used to be old-style pennies in circulation, and occasionally a really old one would turn up, e.g. 1798 or some such date (I think they were called cartwheels?). I used to hold the coin and imagine somebody holding that coin in 1798. It somehow made me feel like I was in touch.

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If per impossibile I were able to step into Kelly's room just before it was demolished, I would do it. Similarly I'd love to see a new photo of Miller's Court. I don't go to the graves though as I find that rather sad (sad as in depressing not sad as in pathetic).

I don't think I could possibly have put those pennies down! I get a similar feeling from old coins and such -- any antique, really. (I love antiques, particularly kitchen items -- and I use them. People always say, "but it could break!", and yes, it could, but if I'm not using the item, what enjoyment do I get from it?)

Stepping into 13 Miller's Court...if only there were time machines!

[DVV]

Ze revelation

From French TV, this week: stronger zan Herfort, a man just published a book about the ripper. He claims to be regularly in touch with Mary's ghost for about 20 years.
Whenever the ghost wants to talk with him, there is a kind of special noise (?), and a smell of violet. Mary has decided to tell the truth: it was not her who has been butchered in Miller's court, but Jack was iactually her lover.
Thank God, the guy wasn't invited (yet) in a literary program, he was playing at the "Wheel of Fortune" (covering his family with shame for a handful of dollars).
May How Brown forgive us.

[Robert]

When I was a kid, there used to be old-style pennies in circulation, and occasionally a really old one would turn up, e.g. 1798 or some such date (I think they were called cartwheels?). I used to hold the coin and imagine somebody holding that coin in 1798. It somehow made me feel like I was in touch.

One could I suppose do history entirely by reading books, documents etc and watching video footage of various scenes, but it isn't quite as much fun that way.

If per impossibile I were able to step into Kelly's room just before it was demolished, I would do it. Similarly I'd love to see a new photo of Miller's Court. I don't go to the graves though as I find that rather sad (sad as in depressing not sad as in pathetic).

Robert

[Khanada]

The thing that attracts me to history in general is some mental ability to imagine myself in a certain time and cultural era. I love going to places where "things happened", even if the terrain is drastically altered over time, to think about the events and experience that "it was right here" feeling. I don't think it's morbid curiosity on the part of most people to visit locations of tragedy. <SNIP> If I am in a place where something tragic occurred, I think about the whole situation -- the lives of the people, the events that led them there, the things that changed because of it. It's a life not forgotten.

Exactly.

One of my favorite places to go is Antietam National Battlefield. I've heard people say how creepy it is, la la la -- but for me, it's one of the most beautiful and most peaceful places I have ever been. Beyond that, there's just the history of the place, and history is always fun because you can't possibly read it all.

Someone else posted about the futile but natural desire people have to travel back in time (or words I took to that effect), which makes definite sense to me. Certainly, if it had not been for Jack the Ripper, I would not be anything like as interested in the history of the LVP in as much specific day-to-day detail as I am -- mind, I don't claim to be anything like an expert on that subject, but I do deeply enjoy reading about it all, particularly about the lives of people who weren't "famous" or "upper class"...the kind of people who normally don't make the history books.

People like the peers of Mary Ann, Annie, Liz, Kate, and Mary Jane.

[Jeff Leahy]

Don't just stand there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BupDo...eature=related

[DVV]

Oh I detest the john wayne so very much : he was capital right wing and didn't like gay man like me and socialistes !!!

John Wayne is dead and doesn't care about your sexuality and opinions.