Jack the ripper guided tours: money on the back of victims or is it for charities?

[George Hutchinson]

Lionel - only Anna answered you? That's odd, as I left a long, detailed and honest reply to your questions near the top of this thread and was able to totally gloss over the fact that you might have been trying to refer to me in a negative light with your first post on this thread...

PHILIP

[Pippin Joan]

John G, re the Ripper tours, it might be morbid in some cases, but otherwise I think it's just an example of the futile but natural human instinct to try to travel back in time. Visiting someone's grave is something closely similar.

The thing that attracts me to history in general is some mental ability to imagine myself in a certain time and cultural era. I love going to places where "things happened", even if the terrain is drastically altered over time, to think about the events and experience that "it was right here" feeling. I don't think it's morbid curiosity on the part of most people to visit locations of tragedy. In the case of the tunnel in Paris, people loved Princess Diana, and it is very moving to see that place. If I am in a place where something tragic occurred, I think about the whole situation -- the lives of the people, the events that led them there, the things that changed because of it. It's a life not forgotten. The person who takes me there and informs me deserves his or her rightful wage. Those women didn't die to create tours. We go on tours because we remember them. If it bothers you, donate some money to a women's shelter.

Where home is a hovel, and dull we grovel,
Forgetting the world is fair. -- Wm. Morris

[Robert]

A hit for the New Seekers.

In the Michael Bentine film "The Sandwich Man" some men in turbans, carrying musical instruments, try to board a bus and on their drum it says "The Sikhers."

Arnold Ridley wrote "The Ghost Train" which was a play and also, I think, a short story. It was subsequently made into a film with Arthur Askey. At this, people threw themselves under the train.

[Jeff Leahy]

The chap who played Godfrey was a reel 1st world war hero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mOEU87SBTU

Here we go two three four...

[Robert]

"I'd like to teach the world to sing" - the Rumbelow version.

[Robert]

Jeff, I can just see Pte Godfrey - the man who put the hip op in hip hop - jiving to that.

John G, re the Ripper tours, it might be morbid in some cases, but otherwise I think it's just an example of the futile but natural human instinct to try to travel back in time. Visiting someone's grave is something closely similar.

Four or five years ago I visited my old school and sat in the exact same spot in the same classroom where I had sat for two years 35 years before. The only morbid thing about it was, I still didn't know how many bushels in a peck.

[John Bennett]

Aaaaaargh!!

How's this for a job? Donald Rumbelow entertains a small tour group in 1997.


I can only assume the other 5 guides failed to turn up.

JB

[Jon Guy]

Is it really about education, or is it simply our morbid curiousity ?

Why do people visit that tunnel in Paris ? Why do people visit ground zero or the Dakota in New York ?

I believe that we have Ripper tour guides as there were a number of events and murders in different locations. Would there be a Ripper tour industry if there had been one murder. Probably not, as people would make their own way to the sight, but there were a number of sites, and people need the Guide to take us there. Demand created the tour guide.

If it`s of any consolation to the victims, their graves have fresh flowers left regularly by anonymous donors touched by their story, as well as headstones to mark what was once an umarked common grave.

[Jeff Leahy]

How about Captain Manering?

Then we could have the club 'Heaven' remix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXiCx...eature=related

Club 'Trade' anyone?

[nicole]

Hi all,

Sie vous plais,monsieur..

I have two name suggestions for your lovechild. I hope you acheive your goal, mon ami beaucoups...

How about Nicole or Dan ?

Valant suggestions for names there...we know the kid won't be called 'Howard', that's for sure!!

insincerely
Nicole

[joelhall]

Just to add two cents for my friends here who do provide a service like JtR Historical Tours.....their tours are in no way capitalizing on tragedy, ..they are geographical and historical presentations regarding infamous crimes.

Madame Tussaud, tour guides to the Alamo, or Dachau, or authors of books or films about grisly crimes or unsolved murders are not making money off the backs of the victims or the crimes themselves, the money they make is from offering historical detail about people or events that allows students to better understand the data available from that period.

They are teachers essentially. And I for one am pleased to know that at any time, I can go to London and have someone knowledgable show me where the events I have read about for years took place.

Best regards.

same as with tours of auschwitz, noones trying to glorify anything just make a living from & educate others of their chosen interest. dont see how it can be taken any other way.

[Celesta]

Excellent link Robert. I asked all the meaningful questions, including 42.

And got some of the best reasoned and argue responces in months!

Cheers Pirate

PS is that shameless flirting with new boy Anna?
a public warning offence on casebook.

He told me it was none of my business, Jeff! And him dressed like a flasher in that trench coat.

Just to add two cents for my friends here who do provide a service like JtR Historical Tours.....their tours are in no way capitalizing on tragedy, ..they are geographical and historical presentations regarding infamous crimes.

Madame Tussaud, tour guides to the Alamo, or Dachau, or authors of books or films about grisly crimes or unsolved murders are not making money off the backs of the victims or the crimes themselves, the money they make is from offering historical detail about people or events that allows students to better understand the data available from that period.

They are teachers essentially. And I for one am pleased to know that at any time, I can go to London and have someone knowledgable show me where the events I have read about for years took place.

Best regards.

[Howard Brown]

Sie vous plais,monsieur..

I have two name suggestions for your lovechild. I hope you acheive your goal, mon ami beaucoups...

How about Nicole or Dan ?

[Lionel Jospin II]

Then I assume there will never be a Loinel Jospin III.

Not natural way no but i hope to have a children with my loverman when i will have find him !!! but we call him jean-jacques