Dutfields Yard interior photograph, 1900

[George Hutchinson]

Thanks, gents.

The guy by the gate is the star of the show. I fancy our photographer got him to show her where it happened. The original is, of course, much sharper than this. I've blown it up to 10" x 12" without any loss of clarity. Jonathan, I've e-mailed you what you asked about.

PHILIP

[Suzi]

Gorgeous!!! Thankyou! It's without a doubt The Cat's ****!! Bed me now!!! xx

I do wonder quite why they were all lined up for that shot though...Blimey p'raps there's one with the same cast at Bucks Row,Hanbury St,Mitre Square and Millers Court (Bit of a squash!)

Damned sure there's a cat in that shed at the back! (Clacky'll find it!)

NOW -Now we've got all that over with- Where's the Conv pics?????

Suz xxxx

[Rob Clack]

Here you are Jonathan. I've marked the approximate area of Dutfields Yard. The exact area would be just out of shot above it. The 1909 Fairclough Street photo I posted a few pages back is a good comparison also.



Rob

[jmenges]

Received, Philip.

Thanks very much.

Top notch investigating. Very impressive.

And thanks for the above, Rob.

JM

[Monty]

Phil,

The book would give great background to both the photographers story and your own research.

Just going through those e-mails of last October and came across one which indicates the depth you went into regarding your research. It was reference to a clothing expert you made enquiries with.

Save me a copy yeah?

[Kelly]

Damned sure there's a cat in that shed at the back! (Clacky'll find it!)


Suz xxxx

Actually, there are two cats in the photo, which Philip pointed out to us at the conference.

-K

(Oh, and there will be more conference pics, Suzi. I promise.)

[Natalie Severn]

What a really lovely photo it is Philip.Thanks very much for sharing it with us.I see what was meant too,when someone said the people in it added to its old time appeal.A great find.
Best
Norma

[Monty]

AP

Its completely irrelevant what I said re Backchurch Lane.

Rob has provided the evidence, its been put to bed. End of.

Never known a researcher to be 100% correct straight away, and some still arent.

[George Hutchinson]

Just for Suzi...



Guess who made the wrong upload to start with and uploaded a larger, untampered Dutfields image for about five seconds?!

PHILIP

[Celesta]

Hi Philip,

Excellent photo, AS ALWAYS. We are very fortunate that you found this, Phil. Please go and get some rest.

Thanks for your great reports on the conference, too.

Bestest,

Cel

[Celesta]

Here's one I found. I believe it might show the moment when Mr Hindley and Mr Dutfield argued about which carriage-wheel they should mount on the wall:


...but I may be wrong

Thank you for this funny photo. It was needed.

[John Savage]

Hi Philip,

Congratulations on your very interesting find and thanks for letting us all have a preview.

I look forward to the publication of your proposed book on the subject with great interest, and then having read it I may have a few questions.

Until then, well done.

Over and out.
John

[Ash]

Hi Phil - not waded in on this one yet, as letting the arguments play themselves out. Having seen the photo a year ago as well, some of the excitement does wear off, but it's great to have it out in the open at last and be able to discuss it. I particularly enjoyed in the presentation the detail on those rooftops because I remember the night you showed it to me, you me and Mr Clack sat for ages trying to match the rooftops up to the ones in the drawings, so it was good to see how that line of enquiry finally bore fruit.

I should also say, seeing as I still have your slide show on my laptop, I am sitting here with the four photos of the mystery woman on my screen (two of the woman who took the photos, two of who you thought it might be) and I am utterly convinced. I know the width of the nose worries you, but that is literally the only detail in which I can see any difference at all. The structure of the face is exactly the same, particularly around the eyes and the chin, and the shape of the nose is also identical except in terms of width. Of course you can never be 100% certain in these things, but I'd be as certain as I can be.

[George Hutchinson]

Hi Alan.

Tim PM-d me almost as soon as he got back to Maryland, and he has found that our mystery woman shows on the 1900 Census as the one I was talking about. Of course, someone could have registered her name in her absence (I think she lived with her sister) but it does look less likely. I am more convinced personally that the answer may lie in a place starting with that Boston organisation I was speaking about that was founded in the 1880s.

Jealous you're still over there! Just been looking at postcards of Knoxville on eBay and seeing the Sunsphere is making me pine a lot. Weird seeing ariel views from 1982 before our hotel was built!

PHILIP

[Glenn Lauritz Andersson]

Let me join the choir of those who've already congratulated Philip to this very exciting find.
I belong to those who saw the photo a year ago and can confirm that I see no reason why it shouldn't be Dutfield's Yard. Everything on the picture fits the facts we know about the site.

No doubt Philip's approach here is a sensible one; both Philip and especially Rob Clack helped me out with a large number of pictures for my Swedish Ripper book and they are both very generous guys. I think no one can seriously accuse Philip of wanting to make a buck out of his pictures - he has been sharing loads of stuff on this site and everywhere else with anyone without wanting anything in return, so considering the importance of this particular I don't think anyone can blame him for wanting to hold on to it and we should all be courteous enough to accept and respect it.

Again - I can only join those who agree with those in the field who has confirmed that it is Dutfield's Yard. Apart from photos of suspects or witnesses, I'd say this is one of the most important finds in a long time (the photo of Tumblety was another great item). I would say pictures of crime scenes are of particular interest because they help to give us more information about the crimes as such. Thus they become invaluable.

I am glad the photo is finally out in the open, though, so that it can be discussed, and in a suitable way to ensure Philip's rights to it.

Well done, Philip!