Miller's Court Demolition Photo

[Debra A]

If you look at the sketch that i posted with the red/yellow arrow photo you can see the two thin windows right below the roof. The one that belongs to #26 is in line with the sloped brick wall that is the side of #19 & #13. That wall is the wall that runs to the front of #26. The other thin window right next to #26 belongs to #27 and would be directly over the passage. The yellow arrowed window is about 3 feet from the drainpipe that seperates those two thin windows and runs right beside the side wall that of #19. So the yellow arrowed window would be about 3 feet away from the side wall of #19 which would make it in direct line with the window on the ground floor which is macathy's backshop.
Have a look at this sketch. The yellow arrowed window is below and 3ft to the side of the thin window below the roof eaves. Directly in line with the windows below.

that's the way I see it anyway.

You've lost me...
BTW I was the first person to post that sketch so I have seen and studied it quite a few times.

[richardh]

If you look at the sketch that i posted with the red/yellow arrow photo you can see the two thin windows right below the roof. The one that belongs to #26 is in line with the sloped brick wall that is the side of #19 & #13. That wall is the wall that runs to the front of #26. The other thin window right next to #26 belongs to #27 and would be directly over the passage. The yellow arrowed window is about 3 feet from the drainpipe that seperates those two thin windows and runs right beside the side wall that of #19. So the yellow arrowed window would be about 3 feet away from the side wall of #19 which would make it in direct line with the window on the ground floor which is macathy's backshop.
Have a look at this sketch. The yellow arrowed window is below and 3ft to the side of the thin window below the roof eaves. Directly in line with the windows below.

that's the way I see it anyway.

Richard,
Isn't the yellow arrowed window on the 1st floor in the section of No 27 that is over the passage The ground floor window of No 27 is further to the right and one floor below? The yellow arrowed window seems to me to be directly over the passage and matches with the Goads that has the rooms over the passage belonging to No 27?

[Debra A]

Debra,
The yellow window appears to be in direct line with the 1st floor window above the ground floor window which is the back shop of #27. That window is not in the passage but is in direct line with the front door of #27. So the yellow window would be in direct line with the front door of #27 and so I would say it's not directly over the passage.

Richard,
Isn't the yellow arrowed window on the 1st floor in the section of No 27 that is over the passage The ground floor window of No 27 is further to the right and one floor below? The yellow arrowed window seems to me to be directly over the passage and matches with the Goads that has the rooms over the passage belonging to No 27?

[richardh]

Debra,
The yellow window appears to be in direct line with the 1st floor window above the ground floor window which is the back shop of #27. That window is not in the passage but is in direct line with the front door of #27. So the yellow window would be in direct line with the front door of #27 and so I would say it's not directly over the passage.

The yellow window is directly over the passage, if there's an extension then it is the back wall of the house and all I'd think is that there was a doorway in to number 13 from the main house that was blocked off. A partition wall seems to be just a wall that divided rooms prior to plaster boarding, and they were made of wood.

[Debra A]

Can see why the yellow arrowed window remained but why wasn't the red arrowd window not bricked up if the slope roof of #19 was built over it? I clearly hasn't been bricked up when the added the lean-to so what did this serve?
also, could this yellow arrowed 'window' give us a clue to the door position of the ORIGINAL ground and 1st floor doors (seeing as windows and doors are often in alignment on multiple floor levers)?

Would this help us determine the door position in room #13 given that it's immediately below that yellow arrowed opening?
Could this be a way to discover the partition door location?

The yellow window is directly over the passage, if there's an extension then it is the back wall of the house and all I'd think is that there was a doorway in to number 13 from the main house that was blocked off. A partition wall seems to be just a wall that divided rooms prior to plaster boarding, and they were made of wood.

[richardh]

Can see why the yellow arrowed window remained but why wasn't the red arrowd window not bricked up if the slope roof of #19 was built over it? I clearly hasn't been bricked up when the added the lean-to so what did this serve?
also, could this yellow arrowed 'window' give us a clue to the door position of the ORIGINAL ground and 1st floor doors (seeing as windows and doors are often in alignment on multiple floor levers)?

Would this help us determine the door position in room #13 given that it's immediately below that yellow arrowed opening?
Could this be a way to discover the partition door location?

That would be my guess. The earlier Dorset St house has a later back extension to accommodate a change in taste, fashion, use by the previous owners etc.

[Debra A]

And would this mean that IF the lean-to was added later, then so was the arch extension that hovers over Mary's door? And IF these were added after the main house then what about the court cottages seeing as the left cottages are a continuation of the extra archway that is above the back window to 27's shop?

Those two windows (red/yellow arrowed) are curious indeed! Especially the one obscured by the lean-to roof.

Miller's Court was originally a garden wasn't it?
I have a plan of a similar set of cottages built off Opal Street, Kennington. Originally a garden; a court of 'one up, one down' cottages was built there. The floor plans of the original cottages even look exactly the same as the floor plans of the houses in Miller's Court. Mark Ripper found and posted a plan of the layout of the cottage/house close to 13 Miller's Court where Kitty Roman was murdered/

[Debra A]

I'd agree with that, Debra, and my model works with that yellow arrowed window. But why is that 'window' (red arrow) even there? does that signify that rooms 19 and 13 (the lean-to) were added AFTER the main Dorset street house was built?

That would be my guess. The earlier Dorset St house has a later back extension to accommodate a change in taste, fashion, use by the previous owners etc.

[GUT]

And would this mean that IF the lean-to was added later, then so was the arch extension that hovers over Mary's door? And IF these were added after the main house then what about the court cottages seeing as the left cottages are a continuation of the extra archway that is above the back window to 27's shop?

Those two windows (red/yellow arrowed) are curious indeed! Especially the one obscured by the lean-to roof.

Part of the reason I’m still only at the contemplating stage.

[richardh]

And would this mean that IF the lean-to was added later, then so was the arch extension that hovers over Mary's door? And IF these were added after the main house then what about the court cottages seeing as the left cottages are a continuation of the extra archway that is above the back window to 27's shop?

Those two windows (red/yellow arrowed) are curious indeed! Especially the one obscured by the lean-to roof.

I had been contemplating the same thing, that the lean too was added later.

[GUT]

I'd agree with that, Debra, and my model works with that yellow arrowed window. But why is that 'window' (red arrow) even there? does that signify that rooms 19 and 13 (the lean-to) were added AFTER the main Dorset street house was built?

I had been contemplating the same thing, that the lean too was added later.

[richardh]

I'd agree with that, Debra, and my model works with that yellow arrowed window. But why is that 'window' (red arrow) even there? does that signify that rooms 19 and 13 (the lean-to) were added AFTER the main Dorset street house was built?

Could the red opening be hidden by (or even covered over completely) by the sloping 'lean to' roof of No. 26, whereas the window marked with a yellow line belongs to No 27, is over the passage and the extension in that area under the window on #27 has a flat roof, level with the bottom of the window? The roof of the extension in the demolition photograph looks to e minus roof tiles and so the roof is slightly lower than it would have been, showing the opening?

[Debra A]

Still need an answer on this one:

What are these holes?

I can match the window marked with a yellow arrow with a contemporary sketch but the red arrowed 'opening' is not on any sketches of MC

Could the red opening be hidden by (or even covered over completely) by the sloping 'lean to' roof of No. 26, whereas the window marked with a yellow line belongs to No 27, is over the passage and the extension in that area under the window on #27 has a flat roof, level with the bottom of the window? The roof of the extension in the demolition photograph looks to e minus roof tiles and so the roof is slightly lower than it would have been, showing the opening?

[Jon Guy]

Still need an answer on this one:

What are these holes?

I can match the window marked with a yellow arrow with a contemporary sketch but the red arrowed 'opening' is not on any sketches of MC

The red arrowed opening is Mrs Prater`s cat flap.

[richardh]

Still need an answer on this one:

What are these holes?

I can match the window marked with a yellow arrow with a contemporary sketch but the red arrowed 'opening' is not on any sketches of MC