Pc Long and the piece of rag.

[Abby Normal]

NO, not really Jon, However there was a spell where to regard her as victim fell out of fashion. I have always believed she was one myself.


s

agree. I'm at least 80% sure.
same victimology
same location
same (general) time frame
same time-at night
cut throat
unsolved, with perpetrator seemingly fleeing in nick of time
post mortem mutilation
abdomen and private parts targeted
clincher-skirt raised up to expose the abdoman, like the others

[Elamarna]

Jon and Steve,

Since we have a Canonical Group already established as the most probable inclusions in the alleged serial killers victims list, I tend to use just those 5 victims as the basis for "Jacks" list. In addition to the "opinions" you've mentioned, we have officials also stating that Jack likely drowned, that Jack was institutionalized before Alices murder, and that Jacks most probable victims list is 5 names long.

All depends on source and context doesn't it?

Agreed.


Steve

[Jon Guy]

Jon and Steve,

Since we have a Canonical Group already established as the most probable inclusions in the alleged serial killers victims list, I tend to use just those 5 victims as the basis for "Jacks" list. In addition to the "opinions" you've mentioned, we have officials also stating that Jack likely drowned, that Jack was institutionalized before Alices murder, and that Jacks most probable victims list is 5 names long.

All depends on source and context doesn't it?

Hi Mike

But it was Dr Bond who first compiled the C5 in Nov 88.
If he had compiled the list late July 89, it would have been the C6.

[Abby Normal]

Hi Mike

But it was Dr Bond who first compiled the C5 in Nov 88.
If he had compiled the list late July 89, it would have been the C6.

IMHO it should be the C7, with Tabram also included

[Jon Guy]

agree. I'm at least 80% sure.
same victimology
same location
same (general) time frame
same time-at night
cut throat
unsolved, with perpetrator seemingly fleeing in nick of time
post mortem mutilation
abdomen and private parts targeted
clincher-skirt raised up to expose the abdoman, like the others

Agreed, Abby
The only factor that persuaded Dr Phillips it wasn`t the Ripper was that the mutilations had not opened the stomach cavity.

For me, it was either the Ripper or a copycat, and therefore the Ripper is the more likely culprit.

[Elamarna]

Jon, Abby and Michael,

lets not go off on a who was?

The issue that I responded to was Michael's suggesting that to include Mackenzie is a modern theory, and while it has become one again in recent years; The truth is that it is an old theory to include her, just not one that was generally accepted.

Think we all understand each other on this.


Steve

[Elamarna]

Agreed, Abby
The only factor that persuaded Dr Phillips it wasn`t the Ripper was that the mutilations had not opened the stomach cavity.

For me, it was either the Ripper or a copycat, and therefore the Ripper is the more likely culprit.

Jon,

I could not agree more with that.


Steve

[Pierre]

Jon and Steve,

Since we have a Canonical Group already established as the most probable inclusions in the alleged serial killers victims list, I tend to use just those 5 victims as the basis for "Jacks" list. In addition to the "opinions" you've mentioned, we have officials also stating that Jack likely drowned, that Jack was institutionalized before Alices murder, and that Jacks most probable victims list is 5 names long.

All depends on source and context doesn't it?

What I have postulated is a set of 8 murders: Nichols, Chapman, Stride, Eddowes, Kelly, Jackson, McKenzie and Pinchin Street.

I am not at all certain about the case of Jackson.

[jerryd]

What I have postulated is a set of 8 murders: Nichols, Chapman, Stride, Eddowes, Kelly, Jackson, McKenzie and Pinchin Street.

I am not at all certain about the case of Jackson.

What happened to the Whitehall torso? Something has changed your mind?

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread...all#post389659 (your post #860)

[Pierre]

What I have postulated is a set of 8 murders: Nichols, Chapman, Stride, Eddowes, Kelly, Jackson, McKenzie and Pinchin Street.

I am not at all certain about the case of Jackson.

One could ask: Was it necessary for the killer to kill these women?

From the point of view of the killer:

Nichols: Before Nichols there was a lot of aggression. Nichols was necessary.

Chapman: Before Chapman there was a very depressing time period. Chapman was necessary.

Stride and Eddowes: Before Stride and Eddowes there was desperation. There had to be two since there were two reasons for this. Stride and Eddowes was absolutely necessary.

The Whitehall victim: If she was killed in August, she was killed for the same reason as Nichols. The question is why she is discovered so close in time to the double event.

Kelly: Before Kelly there was waiting and planning. Kelly was selected late and was absolutely necessary.

Jackson: Before Jackson there were good times but it changed into a nightmare. Jackson seems to have been necessary and there is some data indicating she was.

MacKenzie: Back to Whitechapel means showing the identity. It is distinct. This summer was not a good summer. MacKenzie was necessary.

Pinchin Street: before Pinchin Street there was a depressing time period again. This is the last victim. After this victim, everything changed and Jack the Ripper emigrated.

Regards, Pierre

[Pierre]

What happened to the Whitehall torso? Something has changed your mind?

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread...all#post389659 (your post #860)

Thanks, I forgot the Whitehall victim.

[GUT]

One could ask: Was it necessary for the killer to kill these women?

From the point of view of the killer:

Nichols: Before Nichols there was a lot of aggression. Nichols was necessary.

Chapman: Before Chapman there was a very depressing time period. Chapman was necessary.

Stride and Eddowes: Before Stride and Eddowes there was desperation. There had to be two since there were two reasons for this. Stride and Eddowes was absolutely necessary.

Kelly: Before Kelly there was waiting and planning. Kelly was selected late and was absolutely necessary.

Jackson: Before Jackson there were good times but it changed into a nighmare. Jackson seem to have been necessary and there is some data indicating she was.

MacKenzie: Back to Whitechapel means showing the identity. It is distinct. This summer was not a good summer. MacKenzie was necessary.

Pinchin Street: before Pinchin Street there was a depressing time period again. This is the last victim. After this victim, everything changed and Jack the Ripper emigrated.

Regards, Pierre

Yaaaawn, with not one piece of the "data" you constantly rabbited on about (back when you were a pretend scientist) to support it.

Typical of what you post.

[Pierre]

Yaaaawn, with not one piece of the "data" you constantly rabbited on about (back when you were a pretend scientist) to support it.

Typical of what you post.

Hi GUT,

I want to but I canīt.

I am sorry.

Anyway, I will take a new step in my research soon and I hope this step will change all this.

Regards, Pierre

[GUT]

Hi GUT,

I want to but I canīt.

I am sorry.

Anyway, I will take a new step in my research soon and I hope this step will change all this.

Regards, Pierre

Been hearing this rubbish for a looooooong time now.

"I can't"

"The big break through isnjust around the corner"

what happened to

If I can't do it within the year I'll give up?

Oh that's right more BS.

[Elamarna]

Pierre

a few comments

One could ask: Was it necessary for the killer to kill these women?

From the point of view of the killer:

Nichols: Before Nichols there was a lot of aggression. Nichols was necessary.

Not as frenzied as many say, I postulate very controlled, but that does not of course rule out lots of aggression.

The Whitehall victim: If she was killed in August, she was killed for the same reason as Nichols. The question is why she is discovered so close in time to the double event.

I believe we may have the answer for late discovery, covered in recent posts, However I believe killed before Nichols and no obvious link, you of course see it differently.

Kelly: Before Kelly there was waiting and planning. Kelly was selected late and was absolutely necessary.

Different from others, to demonstrate and show to more than one individual?

Pinchin Street: before Pinchin Street there was a depressing time period again. This is the last victim. After this victim, everything changed and Jack the Ripper emigrated.

And if i read you correctly, died and buried overseas




Steve