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  • Chris
    started a topic Identification by confrontation

    Identification by confrontation

    Trevor Marriott is clearly wrong to argue, as he is doing on jtrforums.com, that an identification parade would invariably have been used, and that therefore the marginalia must be incorrect in mentioning an attempted identification by confrontation.

    In fact confrontation and even dock identifications continued to be used at least as late as the 1950s in cases where a parade was not possible. For example, a parade could obviously not be used if the suspect refused to cooperate.

  • Bridewell
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    Just as a point of order, Anderson never mentioned the name Kosminski.
    Apologies, Simon. Yes, I should have said Swanson (in his copy of Anderson's book)

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  • Simon Wood
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    Hi Chris,

    Agreed.

    Regards,

    Simon

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  • Chris
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    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
    No offence, but that's more of a feeble excuse than a valid explanation.
    Oh well, we'll have to differ on that.

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  • Simon Wood
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    Hi Chris,

    No offence, but that's more of a feeble excuse than a valid explanation.

    Regards,

    Simon
    Last edited by Simon Wood; 05-17-2013, 07:09 PM. Reason: spolling mistook

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  • Chris
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    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
    All I am trying to fathom is why, presented with possibly the revelation of the century, a newspaper reporter would omit the all-important handwritten evidence of an LVP policeman which positively identified a Jack the Ripper "suspect".
    Given that he'd already said that the suspect was named in the annotations, and that his name was Kosminski, presumably he thought that quoting "Kosminski was the suspect" would be repetitious. It's not as though the parts he did quote were accurately transcribed.

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  • Roy Corduroy
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    Sandell wrote:
    "The former Detective Chief Inspector Swanson, writing in pencil on the blank page of the book named the man. He said he was a Polish Jewish immigrant called Kosminski."
    Mr. Sandell read what Anderson wrote in his book, and what Swanson pencilled in. He then described this in a readable, condensed two sentence statement.

    That's what newsmen do. They write with the reader in mind. To make things clear and easy to grasp. Yes he was entirely accurate in how he described it.

    Unless, Simon you are aguing that instead, Sandell should have written this so that his readers are supposed to not know this was pencilled into Anderson's book, and therefore nothing in the book has any relevance.

    Is that what you are arguing, Simon? Or are you saying that because he did not exactly quote the words Swanson used that there's something wrong with that? When in fact what he wrote is perfectly ok. Or feel free to answer any way you like, Simon. Because I don't get your argument.

    I understand what Sandell wrote, I don't understand your problem with it.

    Roy

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  • Simon Wood
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    Hi Chris,

    In the absence of the all-important "Kosminski was the suspect", Sandell can only have been told that D.S.S. said "he was a Polish Jewish immigrant called Kosminski," for there is nothing else in the pencilled marginalia to substantiate such a claim.

    All I am trying to fathom is why, presented with possibly the revelation of the century, a newspaper reporter would omit the all-important handwritten evidence of an LVP policeman which positively identified a Jack the Ripper "suspect".

    Regards,

    Simon

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  • Chris
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    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
    Swanson didn't write "he was a Polish Jewish immigrant called Kosminski."
    Obviously Sandell was not entirely accurate in what he wrote. Nevertheless, he did write that Swanson named the suspect. Sandell's article would certainly not be consistent with the theory suggested previously that the final sentence might have been added after 1981 (nor would Jim Swanson's correspondence with the News of the World discussed elsewhere).

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  • Simon Wood
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    Hi Chris,

    Swanson didn't write "he was a Polish Jewish immigrant called Kosminski."

    Or if he did, he must have written it in invisible pencil.

    Regards,

    Simon

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  • Chris
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    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
    Just as a point of order, Anderson never mentioned the name Kosminski.

    And, according to Charles Sandell's transcription of the pencilled TLSOMOL endpaper notation for his 1981 News of the World article [see Rip 128], neither did Swanson.
    On the contrary, Sandell wrote:
    "The former Detective Chief Inspector Swanson, writing in pencil on the blank page of the book named the man.
    He said he was a Polish Jewish immigrant called Kosminski."

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  • Simon Wood
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    RIP Kosminski

    Hi All,

    Just as a point of order, Anderson never mentioned the name Kosminski.

    And, according to Charles Sandell's transcription of the pencilled TLSOMOL endpaper notation for his 1981 News of the World article [see Rip 128], neither did Swanson.

    It sure is a puzzler.

    Regards,

    Simon

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  • DVV
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    Originally posted by Phil H View Post

    It is a shame because it undermines his often good work, and he is a capable writer.

    Phil
    Hi Phil.

    Agreed.
    And when it comes to copy and paste the inquests, he's a Master.

    Cheers

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  • Phil H
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    I think Trev is fully aware however it goes against his drive to strike Kos off the suspect list.

    That is the nub of this issue. It follows his prolonged attempt on these boards, to discredit the Swanson marginalia as a whole, if you recall.

    His claims will have no substance, they rarely do. It is a shame because it undermines his often good work, and he is a capable writer.

    Phil

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  • Bridewell
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    Originally posted by Monty View Post
    That's how it looks in my pretty pink copy of PACE section D Colin,

    I think Trev is fully aware however it goes against his drive to strike Kos off the suspect list.

    Monty
    I don't see how the surname Kosminsky can ever be struck off the suspect list when both MacNaghten and Anderson mention it.

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