The Aberconway Version

[corey123]

Hello All,

I believe, like so many have offered, we just need to let this topic die. The more we discuss it, the more people shoot themselves in the foot, and the less we get to see. Everyone shouldn't have to suffer for a spare few. This war has dragged on long enough, and is un-needed. I have never seen an attempt to gather information fought for this way, and I agree, it shouldn't have ever been like this.

It is sad that we can't work for a common goal without being at each others throats and producing both rude and un-needed comments and so-forth.

It may not be my place to say this but I believe I speak for all when I say this needs to end.

This has gone on long enough.

[The Good Michael]

I think we should all stop posting on this thread until Trevor issues an apology to everyone involved. The McLaren email (put out here with or without permission) says it all and for Marriott to not apologize for the nonsense and allegations he began is as ungentlemanly as it gets, and yet so Trevor-like. Let this thread be in the hands of the loonies who believe in conspiracies. They shoot themselves in their own feet with their stupidity.

Mike

[Stewart P Evans]

'Spun'

I am not sure what Simon Wood means by ‘spun’ – but he appears to be accusing me of lying or deceiving. You will be pleased to know that I shall not now be posting the copy of the document – it’s simply not worth the hassle.

I have also received a personal message from Trevor Marriott with the odd title ‘Concerned for your well being’. In this message he states – ‘You accuse me of making improper suggestions against Skinner and Co. Well I did not make specific suggestions if what I said was perceived by both you and the others to be improper so be it. I guess only people with things to hide would think like that.’

I find this incredible – far from issuing any sort of apology he is acting as if he has been wronged. It was not just me, but others who clearly saw what his posts were stating and implying.

He is now stating that I have ‘the audacity to publicly again falsely accuse me, it beggars beleif.’ What beggars belief is the fact that he is, apparently, turning the table and accusing me of lying.

He also states I am ‘trying to save face and turn the worm again by saying Skinner was about to publish it what a load of old tosh he has had 24 years to do it and so far he hasn’t.’ It is not ‘tosh’ it is true – and for his information a third, disinterested, party monitored all that went on and knows and can confirm that what I say is true. We have copies of all messages and emails that we exchanged before Mr. Marriott made his unwarranted comments.

I am again accused of ‘running with the hare and hunting with the hounds’ and more and more people are ‘turning against me’. This again, is not true, the authors of the A-Z well know that I speak my mind about things I do not agree with which is what I did in relation to the ‘Swanson marginalia’. But I accused no one of dishonesty or deception.

Anyway, I am perceived to be ‘ranting’ and digging myself ‘deepr and deeper into a hole here’, so it might be best if I disappear again and let these people with their conspiracy theories get on with it.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Stewart,

Neatly spun.

Regards,

Simon

[Stewart P Evans]

Well Aware

Hello Stewart. I take it your caution was not directed towards me specifically.
But, yes, I'd like to see the document at some point and wondered if Simon had any information in that regard.
And, no, abusive comments are not my game. A glance at any of my 2000+ posts should make that abundantly clear.
Cheers.
LC

Lynn you take it correctly. Those who use abusive, insulting or defamatory words or innuendo are well aware of it when they do so.

To reiterate, had it not been for posts of this nature, specifically by Trevor Marriott, that appeared on the other thread the document would have been posted weeks ago. His words were directed towards the authors of the A-Z and his aggressive and antagonistic stance resulted in the document not being posted.

If it were not for the sterling research by Keith Skinner, many years ago, the details that we already have, courtesy of the A-Z and its authors, would not be in the public domain.

Knowing the great interest in this document Keith Skinner had already decided to have it posted for the information of all and had already been in contact with Mr Mclaren to obtain the necessary permission. All this before Trevor Marriott jumped in with his size tens and spoilt everything.

I can assure everyone here that Keith had already indicated to me his desire to have the document posted and had asked if I would do so before all the nastiness started. Nastiness that had nothing to do with Keith or me.

At a personal level I would have thought that a full apology to the authors of the A-Z is in order - but I doubt that we shall see one. My real concern now is over Simon Wood posting the text of a personal letter written by Mr Mclaren on public boards - was permission given by Mr Mclaren to do this?

[Simon Wood]

Hi Lynn,

I have no further information. I am merely your humble messenger.

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

abuse

Hello Stewart. I take it your caution was not directed towards me specifically.

But, yes, I'd like to see the document at some point and wondered if Simon had any information in that regard.

And, no, abusive comments are not my game. A glance at any of my 2000+ posts should make that abundantly clear.

Cheers.
LC

[Stewart P Evans]

Posting

Sorry, I've lost track of what we're waiting for exactly. Is Keith going to post the document here, or what?

As and when any decision is made I shall be posting the copy of the document with the permission of the person who holds it.

[Stewart P Evans]

Please

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At any rate, Mr. Marriott deserves our praise for uncovering this bit of information.

Please read my other posts.

[Stewart P Evans]

Answer

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Although no date is given, I would presume that with any luck it will be sooner rather than later. I look forward to seeing this complete version, as do we all I would imagine.
Hello Simon,
This letter solves the issue of definitive copyright, whch I questioned for clarification purposes a short while ago, as we now know with certainty who owns the original and where it lies. Thank you for posting this important communication from Trevor.
best wishes
Phil

I provided the the answer as to copyright some time ago. It is obvious that it must lie with the Mclaren family as heirs to the estate of Lady Aberconway.

[Stewart P Evans]

No Point

Hello Simon. Is there a proposed date for this?
Cheers.
LC

There is no point in asking Simon this question - he cannot answer it. The answer to that is in the hands of the person who is in personal contact with Mr Mclaren - I would suggest that everyone interested in seeing the document exercises restraint and refrains from making any abusive or unfounded statements.

[Stewart P Evans]

Did Not

Thank you Trevor for your efforts in tracking down the present whereabouts of this elusive document. Looking forward to viewing it in its entirety.
John

Trevor did not 'track down the present whereabouts of this elusive document' - we have known all along that Mr Mclaren still held the document - the totally unfounded insinuations that this document had been stolen were posted on these boards, and no apology has been made for these injurious statements.

[Stewart P Evans]

True Situation

Hi All,
Trevor Marriott, who has been temporarily banned from Casebook amidst cries of conduct unbecoming, has asked me to post the following letter which he received today [24th November 2010] from Christopher McLaren, son of Lady Aberconway and grandson of Melville Macnaghten, regarding the Aberconway version of the Macnaghten Memorandum–
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"I now look forward to viewing the entire version as and when it is published.
"Trevor Marriott."

On a personal note I would like to thank Trevor for all his endeavours in getting this document–hitherto unseen in its entirety–into the light of day and wish him continued success in his efforts to secure access to the Special Branch ledgers.
Regards,
Simon

I simply cannot let this post go without comment.

The true situation is that Trevor Marriott's unfounded allegations and insinuations actually prevented this document from being posted on these boards some time ago. So far from 'getting this document-hitherto unsees in its entirety-into the light of day...' he actually achieved the opposite - which if you look back on the relevant thread you will see I told him.

The posting of this document, which I hope to do, is not in Trevor's hands at all, so gloating posts like this are not welcome.

I should also be interested to know if Christopher Mclaren gave his permission for his private letter to Trevor Marriott to be posted on public boards.

[The Grave Maurice]

Sorry, I've lost track of what we're waiting for exactly. Is Keith going to post the document here, or what?

[Chris]

All's well that ends well.
Let's all just leave it like that and look forward to finally seeing this elusive document.

That's all very well, but when it comes down to it there are more important things than seeing elusive documents.