The Aberconway Version

[Dr. John Watson]

Ally:

I must have really hit a nerve! Thank you for showing that with your instinctively defensive response. Most enlightening. The fact is, reading any of your posts should be enough to convince most people how cleverly you can twist things around to suit your own needs and purposes. Gotta hand it to you: You ignore the meat and go right for the bone! You're the one who compared yourself to a dog; I was merely going along with the idea. Nothing personal. You were spoiling for a fight and you got it. And please, at least admit that you hurl (an insult) at someone in practically every one of your posts. Understand, I don't condemn you for it, that's just your nature, and I'm okay with that. The last paragraph sums up perfectly the dual nature of the beast - "Sometimes a persons actions DESERVE a mob attack." (Feral and emotional.) "There is such a thing as paying the price for your actions. It's called consequences and just desserts." (Sound and logical).

John

[jason_c]

Hello Caz. I see you are exercising ze little grey cells, no?

And DO keep beating the drum for proper English!

Cheers.
LC

And her proper usage of Anglo-Saxon too.

[Dr. John Watson]

I asked you previously who you meant when you claimed someone had given Trevor Marriott "a run-around." You didn't answer.

I don't claim that; I wasn't there. The term "run-around" is my term based on my understanding of what transpired prior to this being brought to Casebook. That understanding is based not solely on anything Trevor said, but rather on information passed to me in a personal message from one whom I respect greatly, who was there and who should know. There is more to this than what has appeared on these boards. That's what I believe. You choose to believe otherwise, fine. None of this means a hill of beans anyway. This whole thread has degenerated into a p & s contest, with the wisest among us choosing to withdraw from the melee. I'm now going to join them, so you can fire away with impunity.

John

[Ally]

Ally:

I admire your dog-like devotion to friends and your pit-bull defense of those whom you feel need your protection. Loyalty like that should be commended, no matter what the cost. However, the rabid-like attacks with bared teeth and loud snarls look more like a desire for blood (an instinct going back to the earliest breeds of mongrels) than anything else. Some of your barks are well taken, others more like howls of frustration. I love dogs, have shared my life with many over the years. I have occasionally come across a few strange ones who were threatening or unfriendly. In such rare cases, I never show fear or allow myself to be intimidated. You're not the only one stirring the pot here, but you're the most forthright and logical, the one who could perhaps settle things down if only you were a tad more objective and less adversarial. I am not defending Trevor or excusing his misdomeanors - he doesn't need that from me, any more than the A-to-Z authors need it from you. I simply do not like to see anyone subject to mob attack, whatever the reason, whatever the supposed justification. Your obvious desire is to nail someone to the wall. Fine, if that's what makes your day. My hope was to calm things down and at least try to bring some objectivity into this. With some, I can see that is a waste of time. So if you want to turn this into a shooting gallery, hey take your best shots. I'm out of here.

John

Well interesting. So much for your pleas for civility and fair play. It is interesting to note that the first person to resort to insults between us is the one who decries the lack of civility in others.

I find it interesting that you consider me to be the one lacking in objectivity, when you are defending the one person on the thread who has behaved in a manner contrary to the standards of behavior you say you wish to see.

I also find it interesting, that any time logic and reason backs one of your ilk into a corner, suddenly, they are the rabid, snarling ones. Please point out precisely where I have snarled, barked or howled at you? I think you will find there is not a single instance on this thread, so your chihuahua like attacks are not only misplaced, but completely laughable.

And for the record, anyone with a modicum of knowledge about the history of myself and certain authors of the A-Z would know that you saying I am dog-like in defense of my "friends" is probably the most hysterical, and ill-informed statement you have made in a long string of them. The fact that I am defending the A-Z authors should tell most people that in this instance, they are clearly in the right.

You did not answer a single question put to you. You did not refute a single thing I said. You went on a completely tangential attack of me personally, and that more than anything shows you know when you are flat out wrong and have no logical response to summon to your aid.

You say you don't like seeing anyone subjected to "mob attack" but you had no problems when the mob was attacking the authors of the A-Z and accusing them by implication of thievery. Where were your pleas for civility and fair play then?

And sweetie, grow up. Sometimes a persons actions DESERVE a mob attack. There is such a thing as paying the price for your actions. It's called consequences and just desserts. There is such a thing as a clear right and a clear wrong in some circumstances, and this happens to be one of them.

[Dr. John Watson]

Ally:

I admire your dog-like devotion to friends and your pit-bull defense of those whom you feel need your protection. Loyalty like that should be commended, no matter what the cost. However, the rabid-like attacks with bared teeth and loud snarls look more like a desire for blood (an instinct going back to the earliest breeds of mongrels) than anything else. Some of your barks are well taken, others more like howls of frustration. I love dogs, have shared my life with many over the years. I have occasionally come across a few strange ones who were threatening or unfriendly. In such rare cases, I never show fear or allow myself to be intimidated. You're not the only one stirring the pot here, but you're the most forthright and logical, the one who could perhaps settle things down if only you were a tad more objective and less adversarial. I am not defending Trevor or excusing his misdomeanors - he doesn't need that from me, any more than the A-to-Z authors need it from you. I simply do not like to see anyone subject to mob attack, whatever the reason, whatever the supposed justification. Your obvious desire is to nail someone to the wall. Fine, if that's what makes your day. My hope was to calm things down and at least try to bring some objectivity into this. With some, I can see that is a waste of time. So if you want to turn this into a shooting gallery, hey take your best shots. I'm out of here.

John

[The Good Michael]

Hi GM
Can you post the Conway Twitty version also? It definitely has some Americanisms.

Abby,

It disturbs me that you would make a mockery of this long-lost document and its provenance.

But, the Grand Old Opry has many old documents lying around. I'll see what I can do.

Mike

[Simon Wood]

Hi Abby N,

Didn't Twitty once do a version with some Swedes?

I think it's the Abba-Conway version.

Regards,

Simon

[Abby Normal]

It funny that you should spot this. Though I'm not at liberty to give away much, I do know that the Uberconway Version was edited during Macnaghten's trip to Chicago. It's possible he picked up some Americanisms while there. It's also possible a young Capone was involved in the penmanship. My sources are looking into it.

Mike

Hi GM
Can you post the Conway Twitty version also? It definitely has some Americanisms.

[caz]

I'm afraid Agatha seems to have gone missing again.

Or she might be taking her afternoon nap.

Either way she has been dead for over a quarter of a century, and as far as I am aware the dead cannot libel the living. Before she went she did leave me the following message regarding your claim to be owed an apology:

"Mick can whistle."

So a forger and a tunesmith then? Is there no beginning to your talents?

Love,

Caz
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[The Good Michael]

to peddle your shabby modern hoax as a genuine Feni - er - ripper report? This is a monstrous slur.

Shabby? I used ink... er the ink that was used seems to coincide with other Victorian documents. I think someone owes me an apology.


Mick

[caz]

"It's possible he picked up some Americanisms..."

Are there no depths to which you will not sink, GM, to peddle your shabby modern hoax as a genuine Feni - er - ripper report? This is a monstrous slur.

I have it on good authority that if you were to hold your fake up to the light we would all see on its reverse the musical score for Riverdance (or to use the proper English: some diddly diddly music for dancers who don't know what to do with their arms).

Love,

Aggie Christie
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[The Good Michael]

than spell the verb to practise with a c, in the American way.

It funny that you should spot this. Though I'm not at liberty to give away much, I do know that the Uberconway Version was edited during Macnaghten's trip to Chicago. It's possible he picked up some Americanisms while there. It's also possible a young Capone was involved in the penmanship. My sources are looking into it.

Mike

[lynn cates]

grey cells

Hello Caz. I see you are exercising ze little grey cells, no?

And DO keep beating the drum for proper English!

Cheers.
LC

[The Good Michael]

No English gentleman and scholar could possibly have committed this outrage. He would sooner have changed his name to Pat so he could come into the parlour for the craic than spell the verb to practise with a c, in the American way.

Indeed, hence the argument that the Fenians were involved. MacDhruithigh anyone?

Mike

[caz]

Indeed so, Ally. I love spotting the differences in offence that can be caused either side of the pond by variations on the theme of our twenty-six little letters.

My daughter's uni dissertation was actually on taboo words, and which ones cause people of different ages or gender to reach for the smelling salts.

Love,

Your little Belgian arse wipe
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