Swanson's notes on Stride's murder

[GUT]

"This is said to have been at 1.35, by that time the woman had definitely been murdered."

Looks close, maybe even exact.

[Errata]

"This is said to have been at 1.35, by that time the woman had definitely been murdered."

[Hamrammr]

Hi,

Not sure if this is going to help much. I've tried scanning/photographing the scribble again but the document I have isn't the best scan even though I'm sure it was the best that could be done at the time (2002). Anyway, below are links to another shot, plus the page of the report before the scribble and the page the scribble is on. At this point in the report Swanson is trying to draw a comparison between the descriptions of the murderer in Berner Street and at Mitre Square given by witnesses. I've had a go at taking away the scribble myself (below), but haven't really got any further than anyone else.

Previous page:

http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp190/Dean_Carter/JtR/Swanson20Report20-20Elizabeth20Stride20Prev20Page_zpsb0dlu5aa.jpg

Scribble page: http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...psr8wecd8h.jpg

Margin notes with scribble: http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...psllsfvt7t.jpg

With some scribble removed: http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...psg6x4n9jj.jpg

[Robert]

Thanks Pandora, yes it's clearer now.

[Pandora]

It could be 'victim' or 'woman' and 'already' looks good, but what is the word before 'already'? It doesn't look like 'been.'

Hi Robert, I left a couple of the circle loops of Swanson's scribble on that word, I've had another go and erased them, so you can better see the word. So I think "been" could fit.

[Robert]

It could be 'victim' or 'woman' and 'already' looks good, but what is the word before 'already'? It doesn't look like 'been.'

[Pandora]

On reflection, I think the first paragraph could read something like this...

"Thus it’s said to have been at 1:35 : by that time the victim had been already murdered."

[Pandora]

OK, wild guess :

'by that token he would have the best sight of something murderer'

The more I look at it, the more I think the final word could be "murderer" as you suggest.

[Robert]

OK, wild guess :

'by that token he would have the best sight of something murderer'

[Hamrammr]

Hi,

I did get several words out of my first attempt but I was rushing. I'll have another go later and we can compare notes. I used the basic Microsoft Paint package and found a colour very similar to the paper so overlaid the scribble. It is tricky in some places though. When I get home later I'll try and get a higher definition image and will also reproduce the entire page it relates to.

I have a feeling 1.35am is relevant to the Eddowes murder too, but can't confirm at the mo.

Thanks!

[Pandora]

What about difficulty?

Definitely maybe. I can see the 2 'ff''s but the spacing of the other letters doesn't seem to work.

If anyone has a link to a high definition version of the original photo, I can have a better go at clearing out the scribble.

[GUT]

What about difficulty?

[Pandora]

I thought possibly or probably.

There's no down stroke for the 'p' though. How about "disorderly"?

[GUT]

I think the last letter on the 3rd line is a "y" so something ending with that I think. I may be grasping at straws with "definitely" though.

I thought possibly or probably.

[Pandora]

The world?? Had (two words I think) murder


Or possibly


He would had (have at a stretch).......... Murder.

I think the last letter on the 3rd line is a "y" so something ending with that I think. I may be grasping at straws with "definitely" though.