Access to Scotland Yard Files

[Bridewell]

But of course Littlechild stands alone with that does he not ? Not one other mention of Tumblety as a Ripper suspect in police files.

So, because only one senior police officer mentions Tumblety as a suspect, it doesn't count? How many would need to have done so before Tumblety met this new criterion of yours? Would you be playing down the significance of the Littlechild letter if the name mentioned had been Feigenbaum? I suspect not.

We must not forget much of what Littlechild wrote has been proved to be wrong which suggests it was either hearsay or he was trying to appease the reporter which seems the most likely.

Trevor, we've all been proved wrong on occasions, but that doesn't mean that we're wrong all the time now does it?
Littlechild was a senior police officer at the time of the Ripper murders and mentions, in the letter which bears his name, that "Dr T" was a suspect. Therefore - unless you are arguing that this is not a reference to Tumblety - Tumblety was a contemporaneous suspect.

[Phil Carter]

There are various examples in the MEPO files of references to the Criminal Investigation Department being involved in the hunt for the murderer. Many are signed by J. Monro.

Phil

[Monty]

Duplicate...again!

[Monty]

Pick up information based on hearsay or his uncorroborated personal opinion which it must have been as their is no original recorded source to corroborate Littlechilds statement from anyone involved in the other investigations and in particular the ripper one.

You only have to look at what the various officers said in later years all suggesting different names for suspects none coming up with the same name, so easy to do then 10-15 years later and now modern day researchers get sucked in by what they read

Kosher as in for real I think you know that anyway

three categories of suspects
1.Likely
2 Prime
3.Persons of interest, most suspects only fall into this catergory

All suspects are hearsay.

Just because we are not aware as to the full nature of whatever damning evidence is held on Tumblety, doesn't mean it did not exist.

The majority of suspects named by the police official are, as you say, personal opinion, often made in press interviews. All apart from Tumblety and Kosminski, who are named in private correspondence, and in a personal document. This is telling, as there was is no pressure to name them at all.

I do know what kosher means, I'm asking what does it take to be a 'kosher suspect'?

I agree with your (and the general) definition of suspects, yet, as you state, they are still suspects, just varying degrees.

Littlechild does not state Tumblety was JtR, he merely lays him out as a possibility. As does Stewart Evans and Gainey. A lot of people struggle to comprehend that.

Anyway, this is off topic now.

Monty

[Trevor Marriott]

Duplicate

Pick up information based on hearsay or his uncorroborated personal opinion which it must have been as their is no original recorded source to corroborate Littlechilds statement from anyone involved in the other investigations and in particular the ripper one.

You only have to look at what the various officers said in later years all suggesting different names for suspects none coming up with the same name, so easy to do then 10-15 years later and now modern day researchers get sucked in by what they read

Kosher as in for real I think you know that anyway

three categories of suspects
1.Likely
2 Prime
3.Persons of interest, most suspects only fall into this catergory

[Monty]

But of course Littlechild stands alone with that does he not ? Not one other mention of Tumblety as a Ripper suspect in police files.

We get back to what I posted yesterday that as soon as a name is mentioned in a police document or communication it is automatically accepted as being kosher because the view taken is that because its the police it must be kosher because the police are always right and were there and in the know. Well you and O know that in the real world of policing that a load of b-------ks.

We must not forget much of what Littlechild wrote has been proved to be wrong which suggests it was either hearsay or he was trying to appease the reporter which seems the most likely.

Yes, Littlechild stands alone, which was my point about separating him and Special Branch.

However, he is also a prominent officer, someone whose position would enable him to pick up information on other investigations.

Define kosher....define suspect.

Monty

[Monty]

Duplicate

[El White Chap]

Quote from Jack Nicholson from a film the title of which eludes me

"The truth you cant handle the truth"

I'd torrent your DVD just for the comedy value if not anything else.

[GUT]

Quote from Jack Nicholson from a film the title of which eludes me

"The truth you cant handle the truth"

A Few Good Men with Tom Cruise as the JAG prosecutor.

[Trevor Marriott]

And wait you shall, patience is a virtue. I'm certainly in no rush to answer.

"The truth is out there"...Well Trev there are always different sides/interpretations of the truth. What we require here is proof ol' boy.

Alas, proof that you still cannot present...

Quote from Jack Nicholson from a film the title of which eludes me

"The truth you cant handle the truth"

[Trevor Marriott]

Neither have I to be honest, of course, that doesn't mean such evidence didn't exist.

Mind, the fact Littlechild mentions Tumblety is significant.

Monty

But of course Littlechild stands alone with that does he not ? Not one other mention of Tumblety as a Ripper suspect in police files.

We get back to what I posted yesterday that as soon as a name is mentioned in a police document or communication it is automatically accepted as being kosher because the view taken is that because its the police it must be kosher because the police are always right and were there and in the know. Well you and O know that in the real world of policing that a load of b-------ks.

We must not forget much of what Littlechild wrote has been proved to be wrong which suggests it was either hearsay or he was trying to appease the reporter which seems the most likely.

[Monty]

And Anderson's role was?

Monty

[El White Chap]

Au contraire mon ami and I still wait for you to answer my questions but I wont hold my breath

As the saying goes "The truth is out there " but when it is found oh boy some just can bear to live with it.

And wait you shall, patience is a virtue. I'm certainly in no rush to answer.

"The truth is out there"...Well Trev there are always different sides/interpretations of the truth. What we require here is proof ol' boy.

Alas, proof that you still cannot present...

[Phil Carter]

I stand to be corrected here but off the top of my head I cant recall anything other than Littlechilds letter which shows SB had an interest in Tumblety

Hello Trevor,

How are you old chap?.. All well I hope?. :-)

Umm.... how about the Anderson reference asking for all info to be sent from the US?... if we give weight to Anderson and SB working tightly in unison on the subject of course?

just from a fading memory..I stand to be corrected though.


best wishes

Phil

[Monty]

I stand to be corrected here but off the top of my head I cant recall anything other than Littlechilds letter which shows SB had an interest in Tumblety

Neither have I to be honest, of course, that doesn't mean such evidence didn't exist.

Mind, the fact Littlechild mentions Tumblety is significant.

Monty