Originally posted by Monty
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Au contraire mon ami and I still wait for you to answer my questions but I wont hold my breath
As the saying goes "The truth is out there " but when it is found oh boy some just can bear to live with it.
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Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View PostDont you worry your little cotton socks about me I will not be staying.
You should spend your time working out and explaining how a killer can remove a uterus and a kidney with a long bladed knife with some medical precision from a blood filled abdomen in almost total darkness in 5 minutes.
If you brain will not allow for excercise then I would be happy to tell you in two words "He didnt"
If that still is not enough for you might I suggest you purchase a copy of my DVD which will show you not only in words but pictures what really happened
I rest my case
Nah you're alright Trev.
After seeing you spout such hilariously deluded theories on all things Whitechapel (especially the non-removal of organs theory), I think I'll take a miss on your book/DVD if it's all the same.
Your indepth time spend researching the case is thoroughly commendable, however your conclusions are the polar opposite.
I wouldn't rest your case too much if I was you, little if anything has been proven by your efforts.
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Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View PostI think you will find the surveillance was in connection with his activities in male brothels hence the fact that they were able to build up case against him and when they finally,made a decision to arrest him they already had their evidence in place to charge him.
The formulation of the charges suggest the police (not SB) had him under surveillance between June and Nov 7th when they finally arrested him charged him, and kept him in custody for court and then had him remanded in custody for a week, in which time he was able to come up with suitable sureties for bail to be granted.
This is where Littlechilds reference to a large file on him has been misconstrued the large file he reffered to was not on the ripper nor on Fenians.
Special Brannch interest in Tumblety is built around the Fenians, everything else comes under Sus law, and an excuse (rightly) to monitor him.
Monty
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Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View PostAlthough they are freely available in copy form to view the redactors black marker pen has made them all but worthless all names have been removed. The reason the name Jack the Ripper was not removed was because the redactor clearly didn't believe that to be a proper name
There's nothing at all conceptually difficult here (at least by most people's standards).
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Originally posted by El White Chap View PostOh lookie lookie, Trev's back on the boards with his wacky 'no organs were removed from the victims' spiel.
With all due respect, I'll take the word of the doctors who examined the actual bodies.
So much for you leaving eh Trev...
You should spend your time working out and explaining how a killer can remove a uterus and a kidney with a long bladed knife with some medical precision from a blood filled abdomen in almost total darkness in 5 minutes.
If you brain will not allow for excercise then I would be happy to tell you in two words "He didnt"
If that still is not enough for you might I suggest you purchase a copy of my DVD which will show you not only in words but pictures what really happened
I rest my case
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Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View PostIf here was anything else on the ripper in those files Clutterbuck would have found it he had them for some considerable time in un redcated form
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Originally posted by Chris View PostTrevor, if you would only read properly what people write, you would save yourself a lot of trouble.
I don't believe for a moment that there is anything "startling" about the Ripper crimes in these records. What I said was that there "just might be something of some interest there".
Presumably you thought the same, or you would not have tried to get access to these records in the first place. What baffles me is why - having gone to that trouble - not only can you not be bothered to look thoroughly at what has been released, but also it seems you wish to discourage anyone else from doing so.
Although they are freely available in copy form to view the redactors black marker pen has made them all but worthless all names have been removed. The reason the name Jack the Ripper was not removed was because the redactor clearly didn't believe that to be a proper name
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Oh lookie lookie, Trev's back on the boards with his wacky 'no organs were removed from the victims' spiel.
With all due respect, I'll take the word of the doctors who examined the actual bodies.
So much for you leaving eh Trev...
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Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View PostWell he takes time to mention what he did find in his thesis on the Ripper case. Would you not have thought that had there been anything startling he would have included it in his thesis, or made it public by other means or is that to logical for you to comprehend ?
I don't believe for a moment that there is anything "startling" about the Ripper crimes in these records. What I said was that there "just might be something of some interest there".
Presumably you thought the same, or you would not have tried to get access to these records in the first place. What baffles me is why - having gone to that trouble - not only can you not be bothered to look thoroughly at what has been released, but also it seems you wish to discourage anyone else from doing so.
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Originally posted by Chris View PostPerhaps. But as we don't have access to everything Clutterbuck found, that's rather irrelevant.
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Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View PostIf here was anything else on the ripper in those files Clutterbuck would have found it he had them for some considerable time in un redcated form
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Originally posted by Chris View PostThe interesting thing about these records is that - if I understand correctly - the redacted version of the register released previously has not been fully searched for Ripper-related entries. If further entries were found, presumably there would be a good chance that the full versions would be released on the same basis as before.
I'm surprised that no one has taken the opportunity to do this (unless someone has and I've missed it). There just might be something of some interest there.
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Originally posted by Monty View PostThis was surviellance, on Tumblety, in connection to Fenian activities and not the Whitechapel murders.
Monty
The formulation of the charges suggest the police (not SB) had him under surveillance between June and Nov 7th when they finally arrested him charged him, and kept him in custody for court and then had him remanded in custody for a week, in which time he was able to come up with suitable sureties for bail to be granted.
This is where Littlechilds reference to a large file on him has been misconstrued the large file he reffered to was not on the ripper nor on Fenians.
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