Hi Trevor,
Well said. None of the suspects advanced thus far bear any close examination as to their complicity in the WM. I don't know about you, but I think it is reasonable to believe that in the final analysis we won't so much discover "who" was JtR, but rather "what" was JtR.
Good hunting.
Regards,
Simon
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Originally posted by Dr. John Watson View PostBe interesting to find some reference to good old Dr. Tumblety in there. Good luck on your efforts, Trevor!
I beleive it is equally important to try to prove who was "NOT" JTR than to prove who he was.
But then again there are the Tumbletyites on here who will never give him upLast edited by Trevor Marriott; 06-12-2010, 07:38 PM.
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Be interesting to find some reference to good old Dr. Tumblety in there. Good luck on your efforts, Trevor!
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HI ALL,
This is exactly what the case needs..new directions..possible new leads.
This is the sort of thing that gets me exicited again about the case.
Well done to all and good luck Trevor.
Gillingham FC..relegated again.
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Originally posted by Scott Nelson View PostThe elusive hot potato. We all await.
Actually it's likely much ado about nothing. Cynicism is always the best recourse. Simon -- is it about anything of significant interest?
As one who has been keen on and have been digging into this particular part of Ripperology for a very long time, I opine that the guarded history of the material is in itself pretty fascinating, let alone the contents. All manner of reasons for such historical material, not just Ripper related, not existing have been made over many decades. The material itself may not be a crock of gold, but it may well prove to be extremely useful and may give leads to open up the subject in completely new directions. That is surely positive for all interested in the development of the subject.
best wishes
Phil
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Originally posted by Scott Nelson View PostThe elusive hot potato. We all await.
Actually it's likely much ado about nothing. Cynicism is always the best recourse. Simon -- is it about anything of significant interest?
I think some researchers who have relentlessly championed certain suspects are in for a reality check !
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Originally posted by Scott Nelson View PostThe elusive hot potato. We all await.
Actually it's likely much ado about nothing. Cynicism is always the best recourse. Simon -- is it about anything of significant interest?
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The elusive hot potato. We all await.
Actually it's likely much ado about nothing. Cynicism is always the best recourse. Simon -- is it about anything of significant interest?
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The correct way..
Originally posted by Natalie Severn View PostHi Trevor,
Thanks for this information.Lets hope they contain some useful leads!
Best
Norma
Indeed, One never knows, does one?
In the mean time I would ask that everyone be patient and leave me to deal with this. As an when there are any new developments I will publish them first on here.
" I told you the truth was out there "
best wishes
Phil
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Originally posted by Natalie Severn View PostHi Trevor,
Thanks for this information.Lets hope they contain some useful leads!
Best
Norma
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Hi Trevor,
Thanks for this information.Lets hope they contain some useful leads!
Best
Norma
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Originally posted by Tom_Wescott View PostThat sucks! Maybe Phil has some ideas regarding finding his files and notes. Of course, if he could get in to see this stuff, I see no reason why I couldn't, or Debs, Rob, or whoever.
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott
I have known of the existence on these ledgers for the past 12 months I know where they are and i have viewed copies of the ledgers. The ledgers were in the past open for unrestricetd viewing by bona fide reserachers.
Another author (non ripper) tried to gain access to them in 2008 but was refused. This author went to a freedom of information tribunal in a further attempt to gain access. That tribunal was in 2009.
The result was that based on represenattions made by special branch officers. The ledgers could be made public but with "all" proper names being redacted. The ledgers are now awash with heavy redaction and the entries are of very little information in this state.
Since this time I have viewed then in redacted form and in my opinion the special branch officers provided information which was misleading to the tribunal and as a result they made the decision they did.
The main argument Special Branch put forward was that these ledgers contained names and detail of informants and it is their policy not to publicly disclose name of informants.
Having gone through the ledgers it is clear that not all that is contained in those ledgers relates to informants.
Through other enquireis I made and other sources of information I can say there are several references to The Whitechapel murders in the ledgers and I Have seen the relevant entries . Some of these entries were not mentioned by Clutterbuck whose thesis I am familar with.
I must empahise these are only ledgers and not specific files. There are references to files in the ledgers but the files have long gone.
As a result I made specific requests to The Met Police for specific information which i knew was contained in the ledgers. These request did not relate to informants. As expected the request was denied. An appeal to the Met police also was rejected.
I therefore lodged an appeal to the Information commisisoners who have now taken up the appeal and have been in contact with The Met police. It may be the Met police wil now relent and provide me with the specific information I have requested.If not then the case could go to a full tribunal which could take several months.
If iam succesful then the only information relased will be what I have requested I will of course be pressing to view them all in unredcated form to see if there are any other references to The Ripper which have been missed. I cannot see the ledger in their entrirety ever being made public.
In the mean time I would ask that everyone be patient and leave me to deal with this. As an when there are any new developments I will publish them first on here.
" I told you the truth was out there "Last edited by Trevor Marriott; 06-12-2010, 01:35 AM.
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That sucks! Maybe Phil has some ideas regarding finding his files and notes. Of course, if he could get in to see this stuff, I see no reason why I couldn't, or Debs, Rob, or whoever.
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott
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Originally posted by Simon WoodClutterbuck states that "The Chief Constable's Register contains several intriguing references to at least support the contention that 'Special' had more that a passing interest in 'Jack the Ripper' but none to corroborate the particular suspect that they put forward."
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott
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