Why did Watkins leave Eddowes body?

[Jon Guy]

It`s a simple case - albeit unsolveable, Christer.

Nutter on the loose in an over crowded and desperately poor neighbourhood, police and detective forces in their infancy.

[Fisherman]

Jon Guy:

"It`s a simple case"

It is.

"albeit unsolveable"

Not necessarily, Jon. It may already be solved - but proving such a thing, therein lies the problem.

For example: I think you provided the real answer to Simon on the rattle business, and solved the problem. But I canīt prove it. I can only recognize that the logic is there.

The best,
Fisherman

[Ally]

Does anyone have a transcript of the letter? I have tried reading it on both threads, blowing it up magnifying it, and cannot make it out. Thanks if you have it, if not don't worry about it.

[Monty]

Does anyone have a transcript of the letter? I have tried reading it on both threads, blowing it up magnifying it, and cannot make it out. Thanks if you have it, if not don't worry about it.

Yeah, thanks for asking Ally,

May have a few words wrong, and some blanks but.....

21st May 1889

Police Order

It having been
suggested to the Commissioner that
it might be desirable to supply
members of the force with whistles
as part of their equipment –

Inspectors of Divisions are to
Report fully for the Commissioners
information their views as to the
desirability of this suggestion being
_______stating their reasons
in detail whether in favour of, or
against the proposition and referring
to any instances in which a
whistle would in their judgement
have proved more useful in
obtaining ready assistance in
Cases of need than the rattle now
Carried.

In forming their opinions, it
Will be essential of_______to
bear in mind the age of the _____
That at night and the proximity
Of the Constable to need____

By order
Of the Commissioner

John Whatley
Chief Clerk


Monty

[Simon Wood]

Hi Monty,

I think that last paragraph reads—

"In forming their opinions, it will be essential of course to bear in mind the size of the beats at night and the proximity of the Constables to each other."

Regards,

Simon

[Monty]

I think you are right Simon,

Thank you.

Monty

[Robert]

"desirability of this suggestion being entertained"?

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

Two of the "C5" were discovered by beat constables.

PC Neil didn't blow his whistle, and PC Watkins didn't spin his rattle.

Odd.

Regards,

Simon

[Monty]

Hi All,

Two of the "C5" were discovered by beat constables.

PC Neil didn't blow his whistle, and PC Watkins didn't spin his rattle.

Odd.

Regards,

Simon

Not really Simon,

Neil signalled with his lamp and Watkins called upon Morris, a part of procedure.

The use of rattles and whistles were not always the first act.

Monty

[Phil Carter]

Hello Monty,

Tell me please

Was it physically possible to SEE the light being swung to and fro in Bucks Row?.. The "chink" in the road makes it very difficult, I'd imagine. There's a point further up where you can't see the murder spot. Physically.

Just asking.

best wishes

Phil

[Simon Wood]

Hi Monty,

Can you explain this odd City of London police procedure?

Also, would Watkins have spun his rattle on having discovered Eddowes elsewhere on his beat?

Regards,

Simon

[Monty]

Phil

The view from the murder spot to Brady street was straight and clear, so yes, Thain would have seen Neils lamp without concern.

Monty

[Phil Carter]

Phil

The view from the murder spot to Brady street was straight and clear, so yes, Thain would have seen Neils lamp without concern.

Monty

Hello Monty,

Thanks,

I actually meant in the other direction, where the "chink" is.

best wishes

Phil

[Fisherman]

Phil Carter:

"I actually meant in the other direction, where the "chink" is."

In that direction, Neil would not really have been able to see Mizen up at Bakerīs Row, I think. It seems a lot more credible that John Neil only saw him when he was en route to Buckīs Row, sent on his way by Lechmere, and that Neil only THOUGHT that he saw Mizen in Bakerīs Row. Mizenīs beat would not have included Buckīs Row, and therefore Neil would have surmised that he was not there. But in the darkness, it would have been hard to judge the distances.

The best,
Fisherman

[Monty]

It all depends on who is standing where Phil.

I'd like to remind all this is a Watkins and Eddowes thread.

Simon,

Yes, the rattle puzzles me, I cannot lie. I can only surmise that Watkins utilised Morris and his whistle in preference to it.

What odd procedure?

Monty