London Police(re-opened)

[mklhawley]

Hi Corey,

Regardless of the subject of your threads, it seems many enjoy your opinions on what made JTR tick. That says something.

Back to police... I do have a question about Batty Street. Would anyone know who had that beat? I am interested in this because of the Batty St Lodger incident on the night of the double event.

Sincerely,

Mike

[corey123]

Hi Monty,

Thank you. I appriciate it.

Yours truly

[Monty]

Apologies.

There is no definate date, just circa 1888. I say couple of years earlier due to the fact I cant see any whistles whichvis always a good indicator of date. However I could be wrong.

Out of interest, its a shot of H Division taken at Leman Street station.

Monty

[corey123]

Hi Monty,

No, not that one. This one.

Yours truly

[Monty]

Corey,

If you are referring to this one then 1889.

Monty

[corey123]

Roy,

Do you know when the picture of the Met shown in this thread was taken?

[Roy Corduroy]

Hi Corey,

Recall Abberline received a walking stick for retirement. So did PC 799 Henry Taylor of 5th Division, City of London. From the City Press Jan 19, 1898

[corey123]

Edward,

Thank you. In the time of the Ripper, it seems that every serial killer we had active killed women. Jack the Ripper, the Torso Killer, Chapman, the Lambeth Poisoner(Cream), and others.

No, not off topic. Its scary to know that the majority population who are targeted by serial offinders are White Females.

Awful stuff.

Yours truly

[Edward]

Women as victims

Hello All

From a previous post of mine:

"Found this while trying to answer the question of women victims of serial killers:

Women account for as much as 67% of the victims in serial murders.

In studies of sexually sadistic criminals, it was reported that 73% of the
offenders only victimized females, compared with 17% who only victimized
males. Ten percent victimized both genders.

Dr. Kelley Kline, Applied Behaviour Analysis Faculty. Psychology Dept. Florida State University"

https://www.kelleykline.com/ppp/Serial%20Killers2.ppt

Best Regards

... but we seem to be a little off the topic ...

[corey123]

David,

I am aware of how serial killers act and feel.

I have a strong hatred for ANY killer that hunts women.(thats about 90% of the serial killer population)

Jack was fearless(not wholly so, but close) and probally was very strong.

I understand what you said.

Still, I never said you tryed to justify the murders.


Yours truly

[DVV]

No Corey,

you don't know whether he was a coward or not.

Ed Kemper killed women. Does it mean he did so because he would have been scared to kill men ?
No. We don't know.

Cowardice and bravery have nothing to do with serial murder, as you very well know, since you're fond of profiling.

That's all I'm saying.

And saying so, I do not mean for a moment that this would justify any murder.

Gilles de Rais was a very brave man. It's well known. A very brave warrior.

But he killed hundreds of children.

Hope I made myself clear.

Amitiés,
David

[corey123]

David,

He was a coward, how is that insulting?

I never said you were trying to justify, I only stated that NOTHING will ever right his wrong.

He is a evil man and will always remain such. ANY man who kills women is a coward. That is only my opinion.


Yours truly

[DVV]

David,

To me it doesn't matter. Jack the Ripper did have a fantasy, but he killed them, not involentarily, he had a choice. He is still liable for his actions.

Thus, he is a coward. Fantasy or not, he choose to kill vulnerable women, women who were poor and, at times, homeless.

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING will ever justify what he did.

Yours truly

A very poor and disappointing reply.

Almost insulting.

Who said something would justify such murders ?

[corey123]

David,

To me it doesn't matter. Jack the Ripper did have a fantasy, but he killed them, not involentarily, he had a choice. He is still liable for his actions.

Thus, he is a coward. Fantasy or not, he choose to kill vulnerable women, women who were poor and, at times, homeless.

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING will ever justify what he did.

Yours truly

[corey123]

I think the normal Police Constable in those days would carry around a whistle(only used on night shift), a lance wooden stave, a pair of iron cast shackles, and a lantern.
Please add any thought that come to mind. I will be reopening this thread every now and then if it dissapears off the board.

yours truly

By phil Carter:
Corey,

The whistle (to be blown 3 times) was used mainly during the day. The Instruction Book stated that, "an officer requiring assistance at night should expose his lantern three times in the direction in which he might expect another officer to be patrolling." Needless to say in the days before personal radios you blew your whistle like hell and kept on blowing whenever you needed it!

Lanterns were carried on night duty mostly except during the winter when they were also issued for early and late shifts. The belt had a leather oversleeve to protect the uniform from lamp oil and heat. Wooden truncheons were issued, but I believe cuffs were purchased by individual officers, they certainly were before WW2.
Peter

Peter,

Thank you for that. I truly appriciate it.