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    Hi Found a picture book at boot sale today called "A Cockney Camera" There was this picture of London Detectives at Westminster Abbey in 1897. No Idea who they are though....

    Pat..........
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    That's a nice find. Is the Abbey in the City area or the Met?
    "It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins twisting facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts." Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (as Sherlock Holmes).

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bridewell View Post
      That's a nice find. Is the Abbey in the City area or the Met?
      I'd have thought that Westminster Abbey would be in Met territory.
      Kind regards, Sam Flynn

      "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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      • #4
        Westminster Abbey came under the Mets A Division jurisdiction.

        The article alludes to a special division created purely for the Jubilee, however I think that there is confusion with O Division, which only came into existence during coronations.

        Monty




        Author of Capturing Jack the Ripper.

        http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1445621622

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        • #5
          'A' Division, 22 King Street, March 1889.

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          • #6
            Not the station dog in the window.

            Monty




            Author of Capturing Jack the Ripper.

            http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1445621622

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            • #7
              I think you're right, Monty.

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              And here's the officers.

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              • #8
                I thought that might have been my Henry Cox third from left but maybe not....
                Pat....

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                • #9
                  I hope its ok to paste some pictures from casebook? I have compared the picture I found with some detectives.
                  I wondered what you think?
                  Pat...
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                  • #10
                    Policeman Cartes de Visit on Ebay

                    There is a victorian policeman's picture on ebay cartes de visite at the moment and his number is 256H

                    CDV Victorian Policeman Carte de Visite by Port of Stonehouse Devon

                    Pat....

                    There are actually a few more, one being Hackney photograph..... all in uniforms.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Paddy View Post
                      There is a victorian policeman's picture on ebay cartes de visite at the moment and his number is 256H

                      CDV Victorian Policeman Carte de Visite by Port of Stonehouse Devon

                      Pat....

                      There are actually a few more, one being Hackney photograph..... all in uniforms.

                      Very interesting!!! I'm by no means an expert, so forgive me if I'm talking through my hat. But I don't believe this chap is from "our" H Division. My reasoning for this is the "stripes" on his leave, I've never seen a Met bobby wearing such things. There also appears to be some sort of symbol or the like before his collar numbers, which I am unable to account for. The collar numbers also appear to be smaller that the divisional letter, or is that just my eyes? Also given were the picture was taken I would suggest perhaps this chap is in fact from Devonshire Constabulary, perhaps they had a H Division as well???
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by The Station Cat View Post
                        Very interesting!!! I'm by no means an expert, so forgive me if I'm talking through my hat. But I don't believe this chap is from "our" H Division. My reasoning for this is the "stripes" on his leave, I've never seen a Met bobby wearing such things. There also appears to be some sort of symbol or the like before his collar numbers, which I am unable to account for. The collar numbers also appear to be smaller that the divisional letter, or is that just my eyes? Also given were the picture was taken I would suggest perhaps this chap is in fact from Devonshire Constabulary, perhaps they had a H Division as well???


                        There is another picture, also appearing to be H Division. But again I don't believe this is Whitechapel H Division either. We've got those stripes again on the sleeve and a top hat instead of a custodian helmet.
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                        • #13
                          The stripes on the sleeve could be service stripes,such as was used in the British army,showing years of service.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by harry View Post
                            The stripes on the sleeve could be service stripes,such as was used in the British army,showing years of service.

                            Yes Harry without a doubt. But I don't believe these were used by the Metropolitan Police, I strongly suspect that these Bobbies are from Devonshire Constabulary or whatever it was called back in the day.

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                            • #15
                              Well I'm no expert either, but if it helps here are a couple of links showing that there was an H division in Devon and showing constables with stripes below the elbow.

                              http://british-police-history.uk/sho...ab=0&nav=alpha

                              https://www.devon-cornwall.police.uk...ary-1856-1966/

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