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  • #16
    I supposed a visitor's log for the Seaside Home circa 1891 is too much to ask for

    How about the constant references I keep seeing for the Yard's "announcement" of Jack being a Jew in an asylum? Did the Yard make a big deal of this prior to Anderson making his autobiography claims?

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    • #17
      Hi Dark Passenger,

      The 1891 Census [5th April] provides a glimpse of the staff and types of patients then at the Seaside Home.

      It was certainly not an environment into which you might risk sending Jack the Ripper, whether he was Kosher or Goy.

      Regards,

      Simon

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      • #18
        It was Donald Rumbelow (correct me if I'm wrong) who commented that Kelly was pregnant. Where did he get that info from? If he saw files that said that, where did they disappear to?

        Bit fishy that alot of stuff has gone missing. I know alot of stuff got destroyed in the war, but I find it kinda amazing that files of all kinds, unrelated to the ripper case, are still available, yet we have alot of missing stuff related to the ripper case.

        I think I remember someone on here, can't remember who, said that they know a family who has some photos etc of the victims or paper work something to that effect anyway, and that they've seen them.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Natasha View Post
          but I find it kinda amazing that files of all kinds, unrelated to the ripper case, are still available
          Really?

          Here's an exercise for you to do Natasha.

          Go the online National Archives catalogue and search for all files within the Metropolitan Police series (MEPO) for the entire decade of 1880 to 1890 which contain the word "murder".

          Do you know how many results you will get?

          I'll tell you: 106

          Of those 106 results, guess how many relate to the Whitechapel murders?

          I'll tell you: 103

          In fact, the true answer is probably 104 because one of the remaining 3 files relates to the death of a woman in Poplar in December 1888 that some consider to be a Ripper murder (and she has a chapter in the JTR sourcebook).

          Of the remaining two files, one relates to an attempted murder of some constables. The other involved a murder case in 1887 where the police were criticised.

          On those numbers, I'm not convinced your argument stacks up.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by David Orsam View Post
            Really?

            Here's an exercise for you to do Natasha.

            Go the online National Archives catalogue and search for all files within the Metropolitan Police series (MEPO) for the entire decade of 1880 to 1890 which contain the word "murder".

            Do you know how many results you will get?

            I'll tell you: 106

            Of those 106 results, guess how many relate to the Whitechapel murders?

            I'll tell you: 103

            In fact, the true answer is probably 104 because one of the remaining 3 files relates to the death of a woman in Poplar in December 1888 that some consider to be a Ripper murder (and she has a chapter in the JTR sourcebook).

            Of the remaining two files, one relates to an attempted murder of some constables. The other involved a murder case in 1887 where the police were criticised.

            On those numbers, I'm not convinced your argument stacks up.
            Duh.. sorry I forgot to add that I meant files alot older then that. And not necessarily exclusive to murder. For instance important historical documents that are centuries old. Alot older then the ripper case.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Natasha View Post
              Duh.. sorry I forgot to add that I meant files alot older then that. And not necessarily exclusive to murder. For instance important historical documents that are centuries old. Alot older then the ripper case.
              Of course there are but then you are not comparing like with like. All institutions store documents in different ways.

              The issue here, surely, is what has survived from the Metropolitan Police records. In this respect, there is nothing special about the Ripper files other than how much more has survived compared to other murders of the period.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by David Orsam View Post

                The issue here, surely, is what has survived from the Metropolitan Police records. In this respect, there is nothing special about the Ripper files other than how much more has survived compared to other murders of the period.
                Except of course from the secret police files.

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                • #23
                  Didn't the authors Ralph Strauss and Douglas Browne have access to the Scotland yard files on the case sometime before 1956, and that Douglas Browne cryptically said that Macnaghten appeared to identify Jack with the leader of a plot to assassinate Balfour at the Irish office. If what he said is true this file as never been traced nor was it likely to have been destroyed in the war. Unfortunately all the city police files where.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Pierre View Post
                    Except of course from the secret police files.
                    Which were not Ripper files, thus confirming the point I made in my previous post.

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                    • #25
                      Hi David,

                      52983.

                      Regards,

                      Simon

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                      • #26
                        Hi Simon,

                        45492.

                        Regards,

                        David

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                        • #27
                          Hi David,

                          Your Co-Op dividend number?

                          Regards,

                          Simon

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                            Your Co-Op dividend number?
                            No, I thought we were exchanging metropolitan police file reference numbers.

                            Was so excited when you started it.

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                            • #29
                              Hi David,

                              I was.

                              Were you?

                              Regards,

                              Simon

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                              • #30
                                Absolutely Simon.

                                I'll take your 52983 and raise you.

                                Here's 57855.

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