How Are The Mighty Fallen

[Archaic]

Hi, Phil. I think that sounds like a sensible point of view.

Best regards,
Archaic

[Phil Carter]

Back to the start

Part of a memo from Sir Kenelm Edward Digby [Permanent Under Secretary of State, Home Office] to Charles Thomson Ritchie [Home Secretary], 22nd May 1901—

"About three months ago you requested Mr. Anderson to send in his resignation as Assistant Commissioner of Metropolitan Police...."

Hello all,

Back to the original post by Simon.

The indication from the above is that Ritchie, the Home Secretary, in asking for Anderson's resignation in February 1901, suggests unhappiness at Anderson's performance in his role, in some way or another. At this moment in time, we can only speculate as to the reason, but this revealing memo shows that there is clearly more about Anderson and his work methods than we are, at the moment, privy to.
In my opinion, this memo should raise a question in all of our minds, with a view to looking deeper into Anderson's working relationships with his colleagues as well as his ideas, and methods of enforcing those ideas.

best wishes

Phil

[The Good Michael]

We'll have to start calling you Butt Pirate Jack.

I thought he was more of a buttcaneer or a freebootier.

Mike

[Trevor Marriott]

whopper?


The question here is not about that. The real question is would Anderson have told the world he new the identity of Jack the Ripper when he did NOT.

.

But according to what he later wrote he did know the full identity, but chose to refer to the killer as "a polish jew" the truth is he was in that position to know the the killer by name.

If he was an honest man and having regard to the high profile case and his position and status he would have named him. There was no reason whatsover to keep it secret.

The problem is that because the polish jew theory fits nicely in line with Kosminski everyone seem to think it must be correct.

After all several other police officers in later years had a stab at it and at least named someone.

[Tom_Wescott]

Anderson said what he said.
Nobody was fool enough to support his claims.

Um...Macnaghten and Swanson? Assuming you mean his claims of a Polish Jew suspect.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Natalie Severn]

off for a pint......how very convenient Jeff......!

You have to go for a pint? You betcha ! wriggle and squirm all you like about Father Christmas----anything but address what I have just written in answer to your request to have a specific response-----which I have given you.

[DVV]

Anderson said what he said.
Nobody was fool enough to support his claims.
That's all I have to say.

Amitiés,
David

[Jeff Leahy]

OK just to keep this debate sizzling I have a question you can each ask yourself.

What is Lying? Is it always good or bad?

I ask this question because it was point out to me that by telling my daughter that Father Christmas would come down the chimney and bring presents at Xmas that I was indeed a liar.

And I should imagine that that is why Paul has been very careful how he words conversation about the truth and lying.

It’s all very well discussing whether or not Anderson may have lied. But what does that mean exactly?

What we are really discussing is would Anderson have told a great big fat whopper?

And it is that that Norma and her cronies have been unable to prove or identify.

And it was on that question that Martin Fido obviously went in search in Anderson’s theological books.

Because the fact remains that most human beings will lye for one reason or another.

The question here is not about that. The real question is would Anderson have told the world he new the identity of Jack the Ripper when he did NOT.

And it is the answer to that simple question that is the core here. Even if others appear to being running a sub agenda.

Pirate

PS I will get back to you Norma I have to go for a pint. But it was you that turned this personal.

[Natalie Severn]

Monro"s reply

After Robert Anderson"s bombshell about how he had written anti-Parnell articles for The Times in 1887 -- calling a press conference outside his house in Notting Hill* to do so ,on April 10th 1910 ,Robert Anderson was asked the following question by journalists:

"How does it come Sir Robert ,that you as a civil servant ,were allowed to write for the press?"

"Who gave permission to write the articles? The journalists asked.

Sir Robert :" I acted quite correctly in going to Mr Monro."Will this embarrass you " I asked." He said, "I think its very important "

"Mr Monro"s judgment was that it would be a very important step in the anti-Fenian conspiracy---that is why the articles were written."

Monro"s reply:

The alleged statement of Anderson to an interviewer that it was arranged "between him and me" that he should write the letters and that they should be offered to The Times as the best medium for their publication IS ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT "........Monro continued---
"Anderson"s statement as to his being Political adviser to the Home Office at any time when I was in Scotland Yard is,so far as I am aware UNFOUNDED.
My principle throughout has ever been that in the police matters, politics have no place -and this principle I have followed during the whole time I was at Scotland Yard , under four different Secretaries of State ......whether the government was Liberal or Conservative.....

* 39 Linden Gardens, Notting Hill.

Could you stop being so damned offensive Pirate.I do not have to put up with your abusive remarks you know.

[Tom_Wescott]

We'll have to start calling you Butt Pirate Jack.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Jeff Leahy]

Shame I was looking for a new cabin boy.

[Tom_Wescott]

Thanks, Jeff, but I'm afraid I'll have to Begg off.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Jeff Leahy]

Is your boat the one with Eddowes in it?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

It is moored very near Hunton.

[Tom_Wescott]

PS Tom, You can come and play on my boat anytime big boy

Is your boat the one with Eddowes in it?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Jeff Leahy]

To Pirate Jeff,
I twist the truth! My Oh My what a cheek from the truth twister himself!
Anyway, yes-no problem -can supply all that without a problem but ,I think you owe Stewart an answer before I do that, viz Why was important information about Anderson"s " fall from grace" omitted from the final edition of the A-Z?

Put up you shut up. Supply evidence to support your claims. Either Anderson called a press conference as you claim or he did not?

Pirate