Greetings from the past

[Michael W Richards]

For clarification, I assume you mean that the sources must not necessarily be in written form - they can be, but it is not necessary. Is that correct?

I suppose we do have recorded sound from the 1880s, that would be a non-written source.

But more relevant to the case might be, for instance, U-shaped cuts on a victim, interpreted as V-shaped. Would that qualify as an unwritten source, greeting us from the past?

If the V shaped cuts on Katse face were made intentionally, its far more likely they were made by someone branding her as something, not the killer revealing anything about himself. There is historical precedent in Victorian history of stool pigeons and tattletellers being marked for their traitorous behaviors, and we do have a story that Kate was about to reveal someones name to police with the suggestion that he committed one or more of these murders.

[Henry Flower]

It says that there has been a lot of progress.

Nobody is interested, Pierre. Either publish or give it a rest.

[Pierre]

Okay, so what does this say about your posting of the Hilliard portrait of MQS on another thread?

That source wasn't "produced by the killer himself" so it "cannot be connected to the murders". I don't for one moment think that it could be anyway, but I'm rather surprised to find you arguing against yourself in this way.

It says that there has been a lot of progress.

[GUT]

Okay, so what does this say about your posting of the Hilliard portrait of MQS on another thread?

That source wasn't "produced by the killer himself" so it "cannot be connected to the murders". I don't for one moment think that it could be anyway, but I'm rather surprised to find you arguing against yourself in this way.

For the very reason suggested by Abby I'd suggest.

I think someone needs attention.

[Bridewell]

Hi,

As a historian I do believe that our only chance to find Jack the Ripper is the sources from the past. These sources must be produced by the killer himself. Otherwise they can not be connected to the murders.

Regards, Pierre

Okay, so what does this say about your posting of the Hilliard portrait of MQS on another thread?

That source wasn't "produced by the killer himself" so it "cannot be connected to the murders". I don't for one moment think that it could be anyway, but I'm rather surprised to find you arguing against yourself in this way.

[Abby Normal]

I think someone needs attention.

[GUT]

Pierre you did not tell us the name of your secret suspect.

So the problem for us is we don't know what you're talking about.

But I doubt he does either.

[Pierre]

Hi,

As a historian I do believe that our only chance to find Jack the Ripper is the sources from the past. These sources must be produced by the killer himself. Otherwise they can not be connected to the murders.

What I think we have to do is to find and understand the sources produced by a murderer who is communicating with people. This is very difficult, since some sources from 1888 are lost and since our understanding is biased by post modern thinking. Nevertheless I think it is the only way forward.

The sources must not be in written form. The important thing is that they are greetings from the past.

"The overall conclusions drawn add to our current knowledge base on serial murderers. Gibson (2004) finds that a “consistent compulsion to communicate characterizes these serial killers” (p. 209). In most cases, communicating with society and law enforcement was imperative for the selected killers examined. In their communications they left clues, taunted and insulted law enforcement, re-injured victims’ loved ones, threatened to kill again, made demands and offered explanations for their behavior (see pp. 210-211). A brief comparative analysis suggests that each killer had different motives to communicate (e.g. a form of venting). In fact, “it is what they disclose about themselves that reveals a greater reality” (quoting Joel Norris (1988), p. 212)." http://www.ccja-acjp.ca/en/cjcr100/cjcr167.html

Regards, Pierre

I agree with this.

Pierre

[Paddy Goose]

So the problem for us is

Pierre you did not tell us the name of your secret suspect.

So the problem for us is we don't know what you're talking about.

[MysterySinger]

If his goal was to cause sensation on the day of the parade, if it hadn't been MJK it would most likely have been another lady murdered.

[Pierre]

[QUOTE=Robert St Devil;380234]However i would need this question answered:

How does Jack the Ripper know that her boyfriend Joe will not be living with her in November when he begins his murder spree in August? How would he know that he would eventually get the window of opportunity to murder her?

Hi Robert,

Of course he could not have known this in August. You are interpreting the sources in a teleological way: the end for the victim was y and therefore everything preceding y must have pointed to y. But everything did not have to point to y before y happened. The killer took the chances he got. We only see the murders but the killer had his own problems and events in his own life that influenced his thinking and planning.

And we can not alter history and ask "What would have happened if Joe did not move out?" This is just how the past works. It leaves sources to us and we interpret the sources. And there is no reason to think that Mary Jane Kelly could not have been replaced with another victim.

Regards, Pierre

[curious4]

Oh, i thought that,s what you meant in your last post, curious. On me!

No, my fault for not being clear. Interesting angle though! Death by Jack!

Best wishes
C4

[Robert St Devil]

Oh, i thought that,s what you meant in your last post, curious. On me!

[curious4]

Hello c4 and all.
I know the ,s, word is second only to the ,c, word on this board... but i,m good with it only bc (sometimes) the ideas are intriguing but just don,t have the time to be fully realized.

I am at odds with Mary Jane being Jack the Ripper,s ,goal murder, only bc she tends to become the male ideal type - young, (possibly) pretty, (maybe) fun. IOW she has tendencies to be written as ,the mistress, type. However i would need this question answered:

How does Jack the Ripper know that her boyfriend Joe will not be living with her in November when he begins his murder spree in August? How would he know that he would eventually get the window of opportunity to murder her?

I,ve been considering that there was some type of prearrangement with some of the women. As in, he gives them an enticement earlier in the day to meet at a determined spot. I don,t think this happened with Polly bc I am unsure if she may have been leading him to the closed and newly painted gates (?) of Mr. Brown,s yard for sexual purposes.

Assisted suicide? Hmm... it,s a stretch but some of these women fit the profile.

Suicide by Jack? Interesting idea and of course some women did say Jack or the river. One way of getting a decent funeral! Don't really think so really, though.

Just realised that what I said could be misinterpreted: by taking them out of the life they were living, I meant to a better one, not a heavenly one!

Best wishes
C4

[Robert St Devil]

Filthy Mouth

Possibly the prospect of being helped outbof the life they were living?

Just speculating here.

Best wishes
C4

Hello c4 and all.
I know the ,s, word is second only to the ,c, word on this board... but i,m good with it only bc (sometimes) the ideas are intriguing but just don,t have the time to be fully realized.

I am at odds with Mary Jane being Jack the Ripper,s ,goal murder, only bc she tends to become the male ideal type - young, (possibly) pretty, (maybe) fun. IOW she has tendencies to be written as ,the mistress, type. However i would need this question answered:

How does Jack the Ripper know that her boyfriend Joe will not be living with her in November when he begins his murder spree in August? How would he know that he would eventually get the window of opportunity to murder her?

I,ve been considering that there was some type of prearrangement with some of the women. As in, he gives them an enticement earlier in the day to meet at a determined spot. I don,t think this happened with Polly bc I am unsure if she may have been leading him to the closed and newly painted gates (?) of Mr. Brown,s yard for sexual purposes.

Assisted suicide? Hmm... it,s a stretch but some of these women fit the profile.