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[Sam Flynn]

My father died of rheumatic fever complications in Melbourne,1962.
He was not hospitalised at the nearest major hospital.
He went in where there was room.

In this instance, though, isn't it a case of two women who lived elsewhere in London being treated in an East End hospital?

I'm basing that on Gary's helpful info about Eddowes living in Westminster in 1867. Thanks, Gary... and Debs.

[DJA]

Of course, at the time the patient MAN was admitted to the London Hospital (Whitechapel) Polly had relocated south of the river, where she stayed for most of the remainder of her life. Wouldn't she have been admitted into a south London Hospital, such as Guys, from there?

And she would have been pregnant in December, 1867, but there's no mention of that in the notes.

Can only comment on Melbourne,Sydney and Brisbane hospitals.
Was a fund raiser for one of Melbourne's largest inner city hospitals.

My father died of rheumatic fever complications in Melbourne,1962.
He was not hospitalised at the nearest major hospital.
He went in where there was room.

I have had a related strep disease for 38 years which is supposed to be handled by our hospital system.
And pigs fly.

Polly was almost certainly pregnant and living in either Camberwell or Walworth,Southwark.
Percy George was baptised on 9 August 1868.

Why would MAN's pregnancy be listed in a study of Rheumatic Fever?

Thanks for clearing up Sam's query for me

[Kattrup]

Yes, there’s no real reason to assume that MAN or Cath C are Nichols and Eddowes, nor to assume there’s any significance to it if they are - but of course it would interesting to know

Doesn’t seem very likely, though, the ages are off and the names very common.

[MrBarnett]

Also, wasn't Eddowes in the Midlands in 1867?

Debs discovered a Catholic baptism for Thomas Conway Jr in Horsferry Road, Westminster on 22nd, December, 1867. He had been born on 8th December and the family address was New Peter Street, Westminster.

[Sam Flynn]

Also, wasn't Eddowes in the Midlands in 1867?

[MrBarnett]

Of course, at the time the patient MAN was admitted to the London Hospital (Whitechapel) Polly had relocated south of the river, where she stayed for most of the remainder of her life. Wouldn't she have been admitted into a south London Hospital, such as Guys, from there?

And she would have been pregnant in December, 1867, but there's no mention of that in the notes.

[DJA]

So what?

Sent you a PM several hours ago.

[DJA]

Yes, I believe so. Neither place is actually in Shoe Lane though. Daws Court is just South off Gunpowder Alley, whereas the casual wards were at the West end of Robin Hood Court.

Thanks Red

That makes more sense than the one I found some years ago.Really small lane.More East West on an angle.Google Earth. Doesn't show up now.Did take a screen shot.

So Eddowes has returned to London to claim a reward for Jack the Ripper and heads straight to the first victim's earliest "stomping ground".

Little bit out of the way,given she left John Kelly at 55 Flower and Dean due to finances?

What have you done with JerryD?

You two are great sources of info.

PS. For any Little River Band fans .... Little River is on fire ..... it's OK as help is on it's way

[Sam Flynn]

One of the things I'd like to clarify.

Nichols was born at Dawes Street,Shoe Lane.

When Eddowes returned from hopping,she stayed at the casual ward in Shoe Lane.

I could only find one Shoe Lane.

Same one?

So what?

[Joshua Rogan]

One of the things I'd like to clarify.

Nichols was born at Dawes Street,Shoe Lane.

When Eddowes returned from hopping,she stayed at the casual ward in Shoe Lane.

I could only find one Shoe Lane.

Same one?

Yes, I believe so. Neither place is actually in Shoe Lane though. Daws Court is just South off Gunpowder Alley, whereas the casual wards were at the West end of Robin Hood Court.

[DJA]

One of the things I'd like to clarify.

Nichols was born at Dawes Street,Shoe Lane.

When Eddowes returned from hopping,she stayed at the casual ward in Shoe Lane.

I could only find one Shoe Lane.

Same one?

[DJA]

Just getting comfortable here

[Sam Flynn]

What about starting a Sutton-specific thread, Dave?

[DJA]

I hadn’t when I responded, I have now, so thanks for that.
Interesting, you believe Catherine C and Mary Anne N to be Eddowes and Nichols.

Good luck with the bushfires, I lived in NSW during the fires 93/94 which were quite bad around Sydney as I recall.

My suspect is not getting on, no time yet to research his movement

I'm an Irish/Scottish Aussie. Genetically over 30% Danish. Viking

As mentioned previously somewhere,prolly this thread ......

Nichols moved into Thrawl Street.
Eddowes was tending to sister in Thrawl Street.
Nichols moves in next door to Eddowes.
Eddowes goes hopping.
Nichols is murdered close to London Hospital.
Eddowes returns seeking a reward.

Ain't no source for that.

Other three were residing in Dorset Street.
Stride moved just before her murder,leaving Kidney there.

Reckon they knew each other

Stride's bottom lip and Chapman's TB make them likely outpatients of Sutton's.
Cachous and decapitation attempt.
Just too much of a coincidence to ignore.

[John G]

Sutton fills every criteria.

Pathology teacher who had presided over one of the world's great pathology collections.

Known for his sense of working by touch.

No doubt carried chalk just before the start of term,could write in the dark in a neat schoolboy hand and his height tallies with Goulston Street.

I can easily put him on the other side of town for Stride's murder.

Have reasons to suggest he resided at 6 Mitre Street.

Ever play 500?

Well Francis Thompson spent several years training as a surgeon, and was living opposite Dorset Street-providence Row shelter-when Kelly was killed. Why's he less of a candidate?