Once you have eliminated the impossible

[GUT]

Good point, but er, menopause doesn't happen overnight exactly - and the age range can be anything between 45 and 55 in my experience. And the rags were um "stained".

Best wishes
C4

Being at least, possibly, somewhat malnourished maybe as early as 40.

[curious4]

Being at least, possibly, somewhat malnourished maybe as early as 40.

https://books.google.se/books?id=KZLubBxJEwEC&pg=PA686&lpg=PA686&dq=average+age+of+menopause+in+undernourished+women&source=bl&ots=YujGH4LUpB&sig=pvM_nm-b1ghRzeHkS5eFuBpN2qo&hl=sv&sa=X&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAWoVChMIzYHE-suyyAIVgnNyCh3MWAyP#v=onepage&q=average%20age%20of%20menopause%20in%20undernourished%20women&f=true

According to this, women who drink alchohol have a later menopause and Kate was thin, but I don't think you could call her undernourished.

But simply the fact that she carried 12 bloodstained rags with her does point to the fact that she still needed them.

Best wishes
C4

[Robert St Devil]

Hello Robert

She might have scrounged a slice of bread somewhere, or even been given a cup of tea and a slice of bread at the police station. She was by all accounts a likeable woman.

C4

CURIOUS We really need a nutritionist or specialist to answer questions re: the stomach. Cooking-varieties.blogspot list 1 to 3 hours stomach digestion time for starches. STILL i would expect her coroner would have been able to identify bread since it was only partially digested farinaceous food. Most of the PM reports identify the foods specifically - fish, meat, potatos, etc. We would have to know how coroners used the word "farinaceous" since two coroners are going to use the same term for two separate murders committed on the same night.
Since it was in her stomach, she must have eaten recently - maybe within the hour. I will keep in consideration that the jailers may have fed her in the 30 minutes prior to her release; i dont rightly know London jail processing. But I thought DJAs soup answer for the Elizabeth Stride murder was really smart. Considering that she is leaving jail and midnite supper seems to be common, maybe she's looking for something to eat. Was there a "soup kitchen" between the jail and Duke St?

[curious4]

CURIOUS We really need a nutritionist or specialist to answer questions re: the stomach. Cooking-varieties.blogspot list 1 to 3 hours stomach digestion time for starches. STILL i would expect her coroner would have been able to identify bread since it was only partially digested farinaceous food. Most of the PM reports identify the foods specifically - fish, meat, potatos, etc. We would have to know how coroners used the word "farinaceous" since two coroners are going to use the same term for two separate murders committed on the same night.
Since it was in her stomach, she must have eaten recently - maybe within the hour. I will keep in consideration that the jailers may have fed her in the 30 minutes prior to her release; i dont rightly know London jail processing. But I thought DJAs soup answer for the Elizabeth Stride murder was really smart. Considering that she is leaving jail and midnite supper seems to be common, maybe she's looking for something to eat. Was there a "soup kitchen" between the jail and Duke St?

Hello Robert

Checking the definition of farinaceous food, it is described as something made of flour (don't think it's possible to eat flour by the spoonful, however hungry), so partially digested, it might not be easy to tell the difference between pastry or bread. At that time of night I don't know if there were soup kitchens open, but surely if the food was partially digested, she must have eaten sometime before she left the jail, there wouldn't have been time for it on the way to Mitre Square.

Best wishes
C4

Actually I have just taken your word for the contents of Kate's stomach, but can't seem to find any reference, apart from that the stomach contents were sealed up and later tested for any poisons or drugs. Perhaps you can enlighten me (so I don't have to plough through all my books).

[Robert St Devil]

Post mortem report for Catherine Eddowes on this site.

I thought there was a 30 minute window of time missing from the time she left jail until shes spotted by lawende.

[curious4]

Post mortem report for Catherine Eddowes on this site.

I thought there was a 30 minute window of time missing from the time she left jail until shes spotted by lawende.

Nope, can only find inquest testimony.

No, you're right. Found it.

[Robert St Devil]

Clicked on VICTIMS>CATHERINE EDDOWES. Under Post Mortem report. The coroner talk about the contents of the stomach.

[curious4]

Yepp. As I added to my last you are quite correct.

[Robert St Devil]

I googled "Victorian London farinaceous". It mostly returns sites related to infant foods, like our Cream of Wheats and Quaker Oat varieties. Theres a site on the 2nd page - Mothers Milk and infant death in Britain, circa 1900 -1940. Para. 20 lists brands of farinaceous (patent) foods - Allenburys, melins, Quaker oats, neaves, etc. they take about one and a half hours for a stomach to digest, so partially digested would mean less time.

Did st boloffs have a late nite kitchen?

[GUT]

https://books.google.se/books?id=KZL...20women&f=true

According to this, women who drink alchohol have a later menopause and Kate was thin, but I don't think you could call her undernourished.

But simply the fact that she carried 12 bloodstained rags with her does point to the fact that she still needed them.

Best wishes
C4

The rags say the same thing to me, she needed them.

[Robert St Devil]

She had Brights disease. Bloody urine or blood colored.

Very smart how ROSELLA and CURIOUS considered menopause. Would the disease affect whether or not she was sexually active at the time if its considered painful?

[DJA]

She had Brights disease. Bloody urine or blood colored.

Um....no!

Serum albumin is not red.

Eddowes' Bright's Disease was probably the result of a Strep infection she acquired in December 1868.

A friend's grandson has the disease,commonly referred to as Nephritis these days.

[Robert St Devil]

I wont joke like usual since it affects someone you know, DJA. BUT some of the symptoms reported are dark colored urine. And blood on fabric usually shows up dark colors, brownish sometimes & not always red.

[DJA]

I wont joke since it affects someone you know, DJA. BUT some of the symptoms reported are dark colored urine.

My family,like Eddowes',has a genetic predisposition to certain bacterial diseases.

Lost both parents to them.

My sister and myself are in the same boat.

I have battled mine for 33 years come early November.

My survival has been due to personal knowledge.

Luckily,here in Oz,we have one of the world's top two experts in the field.

The "dark ,smoky or bloody urine" is a curious Wikipedia comment.

Very wide interpretation....

[Robert St Devil]

I got my info from LIVESTRONG. I just read Wikipedia. Keep up the strong battle, and if you're ever my way, i got the first round if you get the 19th.