How Fast An Operator Was JtR?

[lynn cates]

knowledge and availability

Hello Jon.

" I'm just not sure anyone has researched the range of chemical compounds available in the 19th century to render someone unconscious in minutes."

Not to mention knowledge of such agents and their availability to the average bloke.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

good questions

Hello GUT.

"But I ask are those time frames correct?"

Possibly not.

"And did Dear old Jacky commit all the murders."

Ahem. Cough, cough.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Let us spray.

Hello PCFT.

"maybe the strangulation was a by product of his method to silence them as he makes use of the knife, if say he grabs them from behind working his hand under the jaw line and say braces the back of the head against his chest or shoulder he only need to squeeze and draw them up off there feet to stop any sound then he may draw the knife along the throat or skewer the neck right through and cut forward if he keeps control of the head little blood will be upon him he would also be able to use the pain to control them make them lean over so as to bleed them out."

But the arterial spray?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

obvious

Hello DLDW.

"A change was made for some reason."

Yes. And one, at least, is quite obvious.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

far seeing

Hello (again) Jon. Thanks.

"No argument there Lynn, though our eventual conclusions may differ"

It is of no consequence--you are one of only a few to see this far.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Kate

Hello Jon.

"What is to be expected for a knife wielding killer is what we see with Coles & McKenzie, the knife being the first weapon used, and no reason to suspect suffocation/strangulation"

Quite. And perhaps Kate as well?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

skillful

Hello PCFT. Welcome to the boards.

I agree that Polly and Annie's killer was powerful. He also seems deft with a knife. His cuts were deemed skillful.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

strangulation

Hello Elena. Thanks.

"Strangulation doesn't necessarily take time. Subduing women who are frail, sick and drunk isn't some great feat, either."

Agreed. And this fits Polly and Annie precisely.

"In most cases, depending on their size and stature, I'd say it would only take him about two minutes to apply some serious force, enough at which to at least render his victim unconscious, if not enough to actually kill them."

Agreed again.

"It relies on the amount of force and pressure. In some instances, I'm sure he killed them by strangulation."

Yes, Polly and Annie.

"In others, he possibly just knocked them out and killed them."

Possibly. But we have no evidence.

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Wickerman

On that note, but merely throwing in a suggestion, is the use of a chemical compound to render the victim unconscious.

We have discussed chloroform in the past, but the potential for this to burn the skin, for which no evidence was found, makes it an unlikely proposal.

There are other possibilities, ether or chloral hydrate, each with its own problems. I'm just not sure anyone has researched the range of chemical compounds available in the 19th century to render someone unconscious in minutes.
Naturally, the 'final solution' would need to leave no scent or physical trace, either on the skin or internally.
It would certainly answer the ever present problems of a lack of bruising.

And no, I don't 'believe' this was the method used, but neither do I think it has been satisfactorily ruled out.

I've considered it but have not persued. I agree it has not been satisfactorily ruled out. Be interesting to know what was available and to whom. Nothing wrong examining the possibilities. If it was the method, it might just change the focus as it pertains to suspects. Cheers.

[PC Fitzroy-Toye]

G'Day PC Fitzroy-Toye

Welcome on board.



But I ask are those time frames correct?

Ans did Dear old Jacky commit all the murders.

GUT

Why thankyou Gut ! as for the time frames I can only go by what is presented and yes there are fair margins for leeway! as for the numbers Im taking into account mainly the cosidered five but at the moment I leave much as an open book after all we are still debating the case so many years later says something about the nature of the case dose it not! at the moment Im trying to immerse myself in his mind set and see what kind of a creature I form from what I feel being there.

[PC Fitzroy-Toye]

G'Day Mate

If you get into his mind you might start killing unfortunates.

Be Careful.

G.U.T.

Well yes there is that to think of but I think Im more balanced than him, mind you I could be wrong Ill have to ask me, myself and I and see what they say........

[GUT]

G'Day Mate

If you get into his mind you might start killing unfortunates.

Be Careful.

G.U.T.

[PC Fitzroy-Toye]

G'Day PC Fitzroy-Toye

Welcome on board.



But I ask are those time frames correct?

Ans did Dear old Jacky commit all the murders.

GUT

Why thankyou Gut ! as for the time frames I can only go by what is presented and yes there are fair margins for leeway! as for the numbers Im taking into account mainly the cosidered five but at the moment I leave much as an open book after all we are still debating the case so many years later says something about the nature of the case dose it not! at the moment Im trying to immerse myself in his mind set and see what kind of a creature I form from what I feel being there.

[Wickerman]

... It was apparently discarded for another later, ie something that worked better, or more effecient, pleasing, quicker, etc. A change was made for some reason.

On that note, but merely throwing in a suggestion, is the use of a chemical compound to render the victim unconscious.

We have discussed chloroform in the past, but the potential for this to burn the skin, for which no evidence was found, makes it an unlikely proposal.

There are other possibilities, ether or chloral hydrate, each with its own problems. I'm just not sure anyone has researched the range of chemical compounds available in the 19th century to render someone unconscious in minutes.
Naturally, the 'final solution' would need to leave no scent or physical trace, either on the skin or internally.
It would certainly answer the ever present problems of a lack of bruising.

And no, I don't 'believe' this was the method used, but neither do I think it has been satisfactorily ruled out.

[GUT]

G'Day PC Fitzroy-Toye

Welcome on board.

Cosidering the potential time frames

But I ask are those time frames correct?

Ans did Dear old Jacky commit all the murders.

GUT