Did JTR ever change his M.O. intentionally?

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  • lynn cates
    Commisioner
    • Aug 2009
    • 13841

    #76
    precisely

    Hello Scott. Thanks.

    A fortiori.

    Cheers.
    LC

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    • lynn cates
      Commisioner
      • Aug 2009
      • 13841

      #77
      a drop to drink

      Hello Jon. Thanks.

      I was following up on a suggestion. I don't think alcohol was involved in any of the killings, except, perhaps, in Liz's case--and only if Schwartz's story is true.

      Cheers.
      LC

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      • caz
        Premium Member
        • Feb 2008
        • 10569

        #78
        Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
        Hello Caroline. Thanks.

        And perhaps being drunk explains the hack and mangle job on Kate, instead of the earlier precise cuts?

        Cheers.
        LC
        Not 'drunk' necessarily, Lynn. There's a reason why two pints is the legal limit for drivers. Three or four pints, recently consumed, might make a noticeable difference to the killer's handiwork, but wouldn't make him 'a drunk' as such (hi Jon ).

        Love,

        Caz
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        "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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        • caz
          Premium Member
          • Feb 2008
          • 10569

          #79
          Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
          The killer did not draw attention to himself. And, he managed to engage these women in seclusion, successfully murder & mutilate without anyone seeing or hearing a thing, and leave each scene as if he had never been there.
          I just fail to see how a drunk could be responsible for these crimes, and successfully escape every time?
          How would a drunk manage to keep it quiet when he got back to the lodging-house?

          No, this killer was not drunk (IMO).
          Hi Jon,

          Have a look at sexually motivated killer and mutilator Mark Dixie, who got away with his own 'double event' in South Croydon while high on drink and drugs, returning to the house of two female friends, where he was spending the night. He must have let himself back in and gone back to sleep on the sofa without waking either of them, because they had no idea in the morning that he had even gone out. He was only eventually caught by DNA evidence, and only then because he had an unrelated run-in with the police and had to give a routine sample.

          But again, our killer didn't need to be 'a drunk' or even particularly tipsy to affect how he went about killing and mutilating Eddowes in comparison to other murders committed much later into the night, when he may have had no access to alcohol for a few hours.

          There's no reason to think he was a total abstainer, is there?

          Love,

          Caz
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          "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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          • John Wheat
            Assistant Commissioner
            • Jul 2008
            • 3351

            #80
            I think it is highly likely Jack was a heavy drinker. Different levels of drink could explain the cleanness or lack of in the cuts on different victims.

            Cheers John

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            • caz
              Premium Member
              • Feb 2008
              • 10569

              #81
              Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post
              Yes, certainly. And with the Kelly murder?
              Hi Scotty,

              If Blotchy could have killed her there's his pot of ale to consider...

              Love,

              Caz
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              "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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              • Scott Nelson
                Superintendent
                • Feb 2008
                • 2402

                #82
                Absolutely Caroline.

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                • Wickerman
                  Commissioner
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 14865

                  #83
                  Originally posted by caz View Post
                  Hi Scotty,

                  If Blotchy could have killed her there's his pot of ale to consider...

                  Love,

                  Caz
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                  Maybe the 'pot' is the best evidence that he couldn't.

                  (hi Caz )
                  Regards, Jon S.

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                  • lynn cates
                    Commisioner
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 13841

                    #84
                    snoggered

                    Hello Caroline, John. Thanks.

                    "Different levels of drink could explain the cleanness or lack of in the cuts on different victims."

                    In which case "MJK" must have been killed EXTREMELY early.

                    Cheers.
                    LC

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                    • John Wheat
                      Assistant Commissioner
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 3351

                      #85
                      Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                      In which case "MJK" must have been killed EXTREMELY early.
                      To Lynn

                      I'm not totally sure what you mean by killed EXTREMELY early.

                      Cheers John

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                      • Sam Flynn
                        Casebook Supporter
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 13325

                        #86
                        Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                        Hello Caroline, John. Thanks.

                        "Different levels of drink could explain the cleanness or lack of in the cuts on different victims."

                        In which case "MJK" must have been killed EXTREMELY early.
                        Unless her killer came back later for afters. Non-alcoholic, non-sexual afters, that is.
                        Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                        "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                        • Sam Flynn
                          Casebook Supporter
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 13325

                          #87
                          Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
                          Maybe the 'pot' is the best evidence that he couldn't.
                          Not if he made sure that the lady got more than her fair share. The "Have Some Madeira, M'Dear" ploy... oldest trick in the book.
                          Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                          "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                          • Wickerman
                            Commissioner
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 14865

                            #88
                            Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                            Not if he made sure that the lady got more than her fair share. The "Have Some Madeira, M'Dear" ploy... oldest trick in the book.
                            Suitable receptacle for a heart though...
                            Regards, Jon S.

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                            • Sam Flynn
                              Casebook Supporter
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 13325

                              #89
                              Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
                              Suitable receptacle for a heart though...
                              Makes you think, Jon... it certainly makes you think
                              Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                              "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                              • pinkmoon
                                Chief Inspector
                                • Jul 2013
                                • 1813

                                #90
                                Our killer might well have been pissed when he killed poor Mary Kelly however it didn't really matter because in such a nice area like Miller's court you know that nobody is going to give you as much as a second glance did not Kelly's neighbour hear her cry out "murder" and not bother investigating because such a noise was common in that area.
                                Three things in life that don't stay hidden for to long ones the sun ones the moon and the other is the truth

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