What's your profile for Jack?

[Observer]

You are a card Mike

If not...at least we can say that Nicklaus did exist.

Cheers

Unlike Liz Stride's imaginary date.

[Michael W Richards]

Heres my profile for Jack....

Slightly stocky build, blond hair, not terribly charismatic, intense, high pitched voice, skin over exposed to sun, and a penchant for land design.....we are talking about Jack Nicklaus right?

If not...at least we can say that Nicklaus did exist.

Cheers

[Tom_Wescott]

I'm saying Jack did not kill stride; she was killed by someone else.

He probably did, Phil. By 'he' I mean the person who killed Catherine Eddowes.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[GUT]

Also I think she was probably a bit younger than 18 about 5 or 6.

[GUT]

G'Day Scott

You forgot to add also very clumsy, known to repeatedly drop her knife on poor unfortunates she was trying to help.

[Scott Nelson]

Female, 12-18 years old. Had serious issues with bad hair days.

[PC Fitzroy-Toye]

Male of strong emotional content that knows its best to hide himself behind a quiet mask ,finds peace in his own company but rage, sadness and loathing also. Is of a sharp mind wishing, desiring for more maybe wishing he was of a better class, A class where those beautiful ladys would look at him with respect maybe desire because he desires them and that want hurts because he cant have it ,hes part of the s***hole that is whitechapel and the only women he can get is the animals about him the ones that speak ill of men the ones that sell themself for a few coin the ones that stink and drink and give birth to screaming human efluent that end up just like him ,So maybe one day he will treat them as the animals that they are, make the world see them as ugly like he dose, and make them fear him and cut from them the one thing that brings life to earth the thing they are not worthy of...................Well thats my take on him so far Im most likely wrong and there is a very good chance Ill change my thinking about him also!

[ukranianphil]

I'm saying Jack did not kill stride; she was killed by someone else.

[Bridewell]

I don't think he killed stride for that reason.

Slightly ambiguous, Phil. Are you arguing that he didn't kill Stride, or that he did kill her - but not for that reason?

[ukranianphil]

Ive not been studying the case that long. Not as long as some of your guys,
But this is my profile:

He was a loner who lived in the area; he was single and had a problem with women. (i don't think Jack targeted prostitutes per say , i think it was just women he hated. it was just Whitechapel had it's fare share, so odds on he would kill them cause they were easy targets).
I think he worked. As most, if not all were done at the weekend.
He would have been about 25 to 35 years old. Socially backwards liked his own company. How else could he have got away with it?
I think he took no pleasure in his killings; It was an urge,Something he could not control. with each killing it got worse. I don't think he killed stride for that reason.

[Fleetwood Mac]

Misunderstood, loveable rogue.

Either that or someone like Peter Sutcliffe. To the outside world just another bloke in the street; inwardly he harboured serious designs on violence and destruction.

Male, working, 25-35, not local to the immediate vicinity, not Jewish. I'll go for the clerkly type.

[Patrick S]

Male, 25 to 50 years old, had a serious issue with prostitutes.

[Wyatt Earp]

Relax I'm not trying to get a date but to try and make a valid point about our killer.Call my wife old fashioned(I've called her far worse in the past) if I turned up in wee small hours with some human organs with me I think I would be a bit lost to explain to her what was going on.Also I think I would struggle to keep these organs some where the wife and kids wouldn't see them and as for the smell.Point is if the killer is taking organs away with him to keep at home he must be single and live alone.I'm no expert on matters of mental health but I will stick my neck out and say our killer might have one or a few mental health issues

If the killer had a spouse or partner, it's possible she was in an abusive relationship and not willing to oppose him. It's also possible she was voluntarily complicit.

[pinkmoon]

Any one on here married

Relax I'm not trying to get a date but to try and make a valid point about our killer.Call my wife old fashioned(I've called her far worse in the past) if I turned up in wee small hours with some human organs with me I think I would be a bit lost to explain to her what was going on.Also I think I would struggle to keep these organs some where the wife and kids wouldn't see them and as for the smell.Point is if the killer is taking organs away with him to keep at home he must be single and live alone.I'm no expert on matters of mental health but I will stick my neck out and say our killer might have one or a few mental health issues

[Ausgirl]

A well thought out post.
Just a few comments...

Thank you. And you also, Observer.

This is often suggested for a wifebeater, but not necessarily for a serial killer.
We have Russell Williams, who was a Colonel in the Canadian military, he was happily married but raped & murdered two women, nothing abnormal about his childhood.
Where I have concerns about these 'classic profiling' methods is, they will sometimes point to a man who:
- had an abnormally violent childhood.
- a dominant father who beat his mother.
- a violent father who fought anybody.
- a dominant mother who mistreated him.
- a normal childhood.
Profiling has a 'classification' to meet any need, in other words, the killer is everyman.

Ah, but it's not 'classic' anything. It's just simple and probably (I've not a huge ego) quite simplistic logic.

People don't just up and choose to disembowel and deface women and scarper off with bits of their innards. There has to be a cause - whether this be organic (a tumour, severe schizophrenia) or environmental (abuse, etc).

I'm not discounting the organic option, but that is a bit dull. "He had a tumour, and stopped because he died of it". The end. It's possible, however I do like the sound of my own typing.

And also - he wasn't just killing -anyone- out there at random, so he had a particular motivation to choose a particular victim type. That he chose women and then did all the horrid doings he did, suggests to me a fixation. And those are developed, by and large, in early to middle childhood and evolve over time.

The fact his fixation is with dead women and guts, suggests this childhood was more than likely not sunshine and rainbows.

That he is primarily concerned with dead women suggests to me that living women bother him, probably intimidate him in some way, he doesn't prefer those at all. Liking dead ones is pretty extreme. Gutting them is, also. That's anger, but it's also power exertion. So I think JtR had a real issue with the state of feeling powerless and because he was focussed entirely on women I think this quite logically points to the probability that a woman was the cause of it, and she either angered him because she powerless (to protect him, to care for him, etc) or because she had too much power. Jury's actually still out on that one.

And the ground level woman in his life was his mother or mother-figure. I can't think of too many killers who gut or dismember women's bodies and also have a warm and cuddly relationship with Mummy.

His comfort with violence suggests long term exposure to it.

Hence, not a happy early home life. I could be wrong. But I might not be.

He didn't leave any weapon behind, and no footprints in the blood, and no bloodtrail, be it handprints, footprints or dripping blood from something he removed. And, whatever he gave them to win their confidence, he took away with him.

That's why I said 'seems apparently', with an implied 'however' in there somewhere.. . He was emphatically concerned with not being caught but also took a lot of risks to get precisely what he wanted.

Which is why I think the 'what he wanted' bit was exceedingly precise. He took risks to get it.

Come to think of it, I think this person was a bit like Dahmer, in that yes, he was mad as a hatter, but not so much that he couldn't protect himself or avoid being caught - look at Dahmer and the incident where a boy ran to police, and he convinced them to hand the boy back to him - cool as a cucumber. Jeffrey could also hold a job for a time and pay his bills. Jeffo was severely mentally ill, of course -- but he had his wits about him to large degree, also. He, however, had the advantage of a private place...

Local prostitutes worked their own turf. Taking an old prostitute to his room, if he was local, would take some explaining. Anyone in the street would see them together, or his own landlady, maybe the tenant nextdoor?
So really, this is not a practical alternative regardless of his personal worth.
And, if he lived out of Whitechapel then this is simply not an option.

In order for them to feel relaxed they must take the lead, they led him to their 'spot', and they knew the frequency of police beats. All he had to do was wait for a constable to pass, then he knew he had 15 minutes...

Ah, yes, I see your point.