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  • #76
    Originally posted by DJA View Post
    Beer retailer.

    Louis Hagens was probably Pipeman.
    Would not the police have interviewed such an obvious candidate?
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    • #77
      Yes.

      Kindly pay attention.
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      • #78
        What was the outcome?
        Andrew's the man, who is not blamed for nothing

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        • #79
          Go back a few pages and read your own post.
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          • #80
            So they arrested the publican of Nelson Beer House?
            All he did was go outside, light his pipe, and proceed to walk down Berner St!
            What did they arrest him for? Jaywalking?
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            • #81
              Originally posted by DJA View Post
              Beer retailer.

              Louis Hagens was probably Pipeman.
              Thankya kindly....
              Regards, Jon S.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by drstrange169 View Post
                To bring this thread back on topic, I was reading one of Montague Williams's book about his East End experiences this morning. He claimed Lodging houses sold alcohol under the counter so to speak.
                There were places one could still get alcohol after the pubs had closed, for sure. One was the Club on Berner, for members only after hours of course. Since Liz had no alcohol in her blood, its a moot point with this murder. Her killer didn't buy her any drinks. As for who Pipeman was, or who BSM was, neither have any relevance at this point to the question of what happened to Liz because as anyone can easily check to see what value Israel's statement had on the Inquest into how Liz dies. Its also possible neither existed based on that absolute omission.

                People who use any aspect of Israel Schwartz's story in their own search for answers here are just creating problems for themselves. But many keep on doing it never the less...year after year. Some even trying to put a name and face on characters in that story apparently.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Michael W Richards View Post

                  There were places one could still get alcohol after the pubs had closed, for sure. One was the Club on Berner, for members only after hours of course. Since Liz had no alcohol in her blood, its a moot point with this murder.....
                  We can't say that for sure though.
                  Alcohol dissipates in the body in a matter of hours, Blackwell & Phillips conducted her autopsy 38 hours after the murder.
                  Any alcohol would have been long gone by that time.

                  The length of time alcohol remains in the system depends on a number of factors but may be able to be detected for up to 90 days.

                  Regards, Jon S.

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                  • #84
                    Broad shouldered man's identity is crucial to understanding what transpired.

                    Anyone who saw him up close .... and lived, was excluded from the Inquest.

                    Charles Warren, an ex and soon to be again,officer in the Royal Engineers, not to mention a Fellow of the Royal Society, showed interest in Packer.
                    Packer,who had to be dragged into the case,was given sufficient attention by Abberline to change his recollections.

                    Eddowes' corpse was found with a printed card for Frank Carter.
                    Frank Carter was a sapper with the Royal Engineers.

                    Further evidence that the Five were linked and up to something.
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                    • #85
                      Was Frank Carter arrested on the suspicion he was BS Man?


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                      • #86
                        According to members of this forum in 2005 and 2008, Abberline withheld the information on Carter from Stride's Inquest.


                        No doubt police would have paid a visit to 305 Bethnal Green.
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                        304 diagonally across the road.

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                        230 Bethnal Green Road,the old Green Gate Hotel which was operated by a Carter family,a long familiar surname in Bethnal Green.
                        Last edited by DJA; 03-09-2020, 01:55 AM.
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                        • #87
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                          Previous post should have read Eddowes' inquest,not Stride's.
                          Last edited by DJA; 03-09-2020, 02:13 AM.
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                          • #88
                            So why did this Frank Carter mutilate, and not just murder?
                            Andrew's the man, who is not blamed for nothing

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                            • #89
                              Frank Carter was hired by Eddowes and Stride for protection during a blackmail payment at Dutfields Yard.
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                              • #90
                                So Carter is BS Man, but not the Ripper?
                                I'm confused.
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